Formula 1 General Chat & Discussion

Standings at the Championship with the rivesed results !!!!
Driver Standings :
01 Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 154
02 Mark Webber : Red Bull : 120
03 Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull : 110
04 Kimi Raikkonen : Lotus : 98
05 Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 92
06 Nico Rosberg : Mercedes : 76
07 Jenson Button : McLaren : 68
08 Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 61
09 Sergio Perez : Sauber : 47
10 Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 33
11 Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 29
12 Michael Schumacher : Mercedes : 29
13 Paul di Resta : Force India : 27
14 Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 23
15 Nico Hulkenberg Force India : 19
16 Bruno Senna : Williams : 18
17 Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 4
18 Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 2

Constructor Standings :
01 Red Bull : 230
02 Ferrari : 177
03 McLaren : 160
03 Lotus : 159
05 Mercedes : 105
06 Sauber : 80
07 Williams : 47
08 Force India : 46
09 Toro Rosso : 6


Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Newsflash !!!! :

Vettel penalised for Button pass, drops from second to fifth in the German Grand Prix :
Sebastian Vettel has been handed a penalty for his overtaking move on Jenson Button in the German Grand Prix. The Red Bull driver passed his McLaren rival for second with less than two laps to go by running off track at the exit of the hairpin.
Vettel's move was illegal, according to the stewards, who imposed a post-race drive-through penalty on the German, meaning 20 seconds have been added to his finishing time.
"Car 1 left the track and gained an advantage when he rejoined. Breach of article 20.2 of the FIA Formula 1 sporting regulations," said the stewards.
"Drive-through penalty, imposed after the race in accordance with article 16.3 (20 seconds added to the elapsed race time."
The German drops from second to fifth, promoting Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen to third

1. Alonso Ferrari
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes
3. Raikkonen Lotus-Renault
4. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault
6. Perez Sauber-Ferrari
7. Schumacher Mercedes
8. Webber Red Bull-Renault
9. Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes
10. Rosberg Mercedes

Warning this new result does not count for our game ,because like i sayd some races ago ...the result just after the race ( or qualifying ) counts !!!! So our top 3 remains : 1 Alonso , 2 Vettel , 3 Button !!!

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Vettel now 5th place due to 20sec. time penalty.

Here is the result of the German GP :

1. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:31:05.862
2. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : + 3.732
3. Jenson Button : McLaren : + 6.949
4. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : + 16.409
5. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : + 21.925
6. Sergio Perez : Sauber : + 27.896
7. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : + 28.960
8. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : + 46.900
9. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : + 48.100
10. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : + 48.800
11. Paul di Resta : Force India : + 59.200
12. Felipe Massa :Ferrari : + 1:11.400
13. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : + 1:16.800
14. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : + 1:16.900
15. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : + 1 lap
16. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : + 1 lap
17. Bruno Senna : Williams : + 1 lap
18. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : + 1 lap
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : + 2 laps
20. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : + 2 laps
21. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : + 3 laps
22. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : + 3 laps
23. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT F1 Team : + 3 laps
Did Not Finish :
24. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : not yet known

Fastest lap : Michael Schumacher : 1:18.725
Pitstop Paul di Resta : 2
D.S.L : 14

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

An exciting race! Like I wrote off early Buttun! Although Alonso has strengthened its position!
In any other sport is no such a situation! 30% is solved in the offices! 10% on all sorts of chance! And only 60% depends on the skill of the racer!

Alonso really the best ... had great intelligence and ability to be content vettel first and then button ..... button good race, very well Raikkonen in the first part .... I would say not enough Vettel, too nervous when he needed clarity....2nd but not so good,in the pending outcome of the mcLaren complaint ...in my opinion I saw one of the best gp of the year as a strength ... Especially in the first 20 laps it was many spectacular,too....Budapest is for redbull,but after these latest gp probably mclaren are more dangerous for ferrari team....but ferrari has Alonso....Alonso is the difference,actually..

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according to Lauda they forgot to close that gap in the rules.
so they wanted to forbid but didn't write the rules that way.

Red Bulls allowed to start.
Further decisions after the race.

Absolute incredible and shocking news about the RedBulls.

Newsflash !!!! :

Red Bull's engine maps referred to German Grand Prix stewards by FIA :
The FIA has referred Red Bull to the stewards of the German Grand Prix for a suspected breach of Formula 1's technical regulations.
A statement released by FIA Formula 1 technical delegate Jo Bauer said that the matter related to the engine torque maps on both Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber's cars.
The FIA highlighted that the reduced torque in the mid rpm range on both cars was a breach of the regulations in itself, but also because it could offer an illegal aerodynamic benefit as well.
This suggests that the FIA suspects that there could be a benefit related to the exhaust blown diffuser technology that was effectively curbed at the start of the season through a package of regulations that included those covering engine mapping.
"Having examined the engine base torque map of car numbers 01 and 02 it became apparent that the maximum torque output of both engines is significantly less in the mid rpm range than previously seen at other events," said Bauer in the statement.
"In my opinion this is therefore in breach of article 5.5.3 of the 2012 Formula 1 technical regulations as the engines are able to deliver more torque at a given engine speed in the mid rpm range.
"Furthermore this new torque map will artificially alter the aerodynamic characteristics of both cars which is also in contravention of TD 036-11. I am referring this matter to the stewards."
Red Bull team principal Christian Horner sayd: "I'm not aware of any irregularities. The result was declared after qualifying."

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Does anybody know anything of an investigation to Red Bull?
It seems that something happened in the yesterday qualification.

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Here are the results of the qualification :

1. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:40.621 -
2. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : 1:41.026 + 0.405
3. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : 1:41.496 + 0.875
4. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : 1:42.459 + 1.838
5. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : 1:43.501 + 2.880
6. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : 1:43.950 + 3.329
7. Jenson Button : McLaren : 1:44.113 + 3.492
8. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : 1:44.186 + 3.565
9. Paul di Resta : Force India : 1:44.889 + 4.268
10. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : 1:45.811 + 5.190

Q2
11. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : 1:39.789 + -0.832
12. Sergio Perez : Sauber : 1:39.933 + -0.688
13. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber : 1:39.985 + -0.636
14. Felipe Massa : Ferrari : 1:40.212 + -0.409
15. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : 1:40.574 + -0.047
16. Bruno Senna : Williams : 1:40.752 + 0.131
17. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:41.551 + 0.930

Q1
18. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : 1:16.741 -
19. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : 1:17.620 + -23.001
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham 1:18.531 + -22.090
21. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : 1:19.220 + -21.401
22. Timo Glock : Marussia F1 Team : 1:19.291 + -21.330
23. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : 1:19.912 + -20.709
24. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT F1 Team : 1:20.230 + -20.391

Qual: 1:40.621
Pole : Alonso
Rain : yes

So after this qualifying Grosjean will end up at the 20th place ( 5 place grid penalty ) & Rosberg on the 22nd place ( 5 place grid penalty )


Comment of the qualification :
Fernando Alonso secured his second straight pole position as German Grand Prix qualifying at Hockenheim became a last-minute scramble on a wet track. The 10 drivers in the pole shoot-out were all delivering quicker and quicker times as they acclimatised to the circuit conditions in the final moments, and it was Alonso who handled it best, putting in a 1m40.621s to take pole for Ferrari. World champion and local hero Sebastian Vettel was Alonso's nearest challenger, lapping 0.4 seconds slower than the current points leader as he took second ahead of his Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber, who will drop five places due to a penalty for a gearbox change. That will move Michael Schumacher into the top three on the grid on home ground. The German legend was on provisional pole for a while before ending up fourth quickest for Mercedes.
Three of the top four places on the grid will go to German drivers, as Force India's Nico Hulkenberg delivered a spectacular fifth-fastest time to give himself a season-best starting spot on row two. His team-mate Paul di Resta also reached Q3 and was ninth. Pastor Maldonado completed the top six in his Williams, ahead of the two McLarens. Jenson Button was quicker than Lewis Hamilton, as the 2009 champion delivered his best qualifying performance since Bahrain in April. Kimi Raikkonen was the final Q3 qualifier and rounds off the top 10 for Lotus. The rain had arrived just before Q2 began, leading to a scramble to get a quick time in on the one or two laps that were always going to be the fastest of the segment. Among those who missed out were two of the men with five-place gearbox change penalties: Romain Grosjean (Lotus) and Nico Rosberg (Mercedes). They were 15th and 17th respectively. Felipe Massa slithered off the road on his first Q2 lap and rejoined in Ferrari team-mate Fernando Alonso's path. Being blocked did not stop Alonso reaching Q3, but Massa's error consigned him to 14th. Toro Rosso's Daniel Ricciardo almost made it into the top 10 as the rain he wanted arrived, missing the Q3 cut by just 0.06s. Also out in the middle segment were the two Saubers and Bruno Senna's Williams. Q1 was fully dry and relatively predictable, although Schumacher, Button and Webber all cut it a little fine in either timing or pace terms. In the event, the eliminated midfielder was Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne, for the sixth time in his nine grands prix.
Heikki Kovalainen was nearly a second quicker than Caterham team-mate Vitaly Petrov, while Timo Glock found himself outqualified on home ground by Marussia stablemate Charles Pic, despite the rookie's lack of practice mileage.


Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Rain again! Again Alonso!