Eurotic TV - General Discussion

outside wrote:Amy was recruited by the same channel, friendship to an active model, so Mashiara brought to ETV first Scarlet and then Amy.
I would add Amy (and of course Scarlet too) is like Van Gogh or Picasso, one of her league has been born once in a century.
About Tia, I respect her words, but she will be consistent if she will never come back.

OK, I agree, but when you go to the museum you can also admire Balthus, Chagall, Botticelli, Canaletto, Raffaello, Degas etc. Now, on ETV, you can only see the dauber.
The statistic is against ETV at least on 30 girls, one is exceptional. If you search for, sooner or later you find something good. If you do not try ....

Amy was recruited by the same channel, friendship to an active model, so Mashiara brought to ETV first Scarlet and then Amy.
I would add Amy (and of course Scarlet too) is like Van Gogh or Picasso, one of her league has been born once in a century.
About Tia, I respect her words, but she will be consistent if she will never come back.

outside wrote:It has been almost 5 years, not useful talking about Evah and Brona every time. They are soft models, and they won't change their mind after 5 years.

I think it's harder to sign new models also because ETVShow has been more known in Molvania than 4-5 years ago.
So they have signed again former models (Aliyah, Ashley, Kiara, Eliza, Mia, Nikita, Sugar) because they have been already "labelled" and don't need any warming up or tryout.
Newcomers have been mainly friends of current models, for example Alice-April-Clover, Sunny-Annabelle , or Carrie-Jessica-Ava.
I wonder if Angelina is still casting manager. I guess no.

Everything you say is acceptable. But I wonder, if you can find models like Alice, April etc. Why it's so difficult to find models, as it were, more "fascinating" than these?
Why they try to put in the cast Annabelle but they can not find a new "Amy", for example?

Why in this last year we watched a lot of models but, in reality, very few have stopped in the studio and, even these, for a very short time?
I fear that ETV is not only deteriorated in the show that offers, but that the same work environment has become really worse than in the past. Tia has clearly expressed this discomfort, and such a thing, pronounced by a model like her, is almost a judgment.

It has been almost 5 years, not useful talking about Evah and Brona every time. They are soft models, and they won't change their mind after 5 years.

I think it's harder to sign new models also because ETVShow has been more known in Molvania than 4-5 years ago.
So they have signed again former models (Aliyah, Ashley, Kiara, Eliza, Mia, Nikita, Sugar) because they have been already "labelled" and don't need any warming up or tryout.
Newcomers have been mainly friends of current models, for example Alice-April-Clover, Sunny-Annabelle , or Carrie-Jessica-Ava.
I wonder if Angelina is still casting manager. I guess no.

There are some nice girls to give fresh air to the channel but they use them only for day or web shows and if only Brona and Evah would dare a little more maybe Etv could be still interesting to watch.

lucifer70 wrote:New models .. new models?

In the last 12 months are many more models that went away rather than those who have been actually working for ETV.

Which demonstrates that:
1 the working environment of ETV is very degenerate
2 ETV does not pay the models as before
3 ETV does not look for girls of high level, but is content to anyone with two hands, two legs and two breasts
4 The "old" models are tired and, now, they have been squeezed like lemons.
So the new models that currently they are putting in and NS, are really not capable of doing this job. It, simply, is not work for them.

What ETV is doing is very clear:

1 they do not affect the statistics, but the money (they at the end of the week reckoning and they are sure that a number of ugly and cheap shows has, however, brought the money)
2 they know that many models are of low quality but they also know that there are a number of customers willing to pay anyway

3 models like this for them, have a great value, they cost very little.

4 They have no interest in producing quality show for which it would be needed models of high level, ideas, fantsy and technical personnel in the studio. Suits things that cost.

5 This is also the reason why they continue with the web.The shows on the web are sad such as the ones on FTA, but because there is always someone who pays for them, they go ahead always changing the formula, but in reality, providing the same pathetic service.

I agree with you on these several points.

Concerning point 2 (of the second row) : maybe they just give what us viewers want... Okay you are one of the rare forumer who wants erotism, but what if 80, 90% of viewers just want to see naked bodies regardless of quality ? So basically 80 or 90% of viewers should be satisfied with such shows.

Concerning point 4 (of the first row) : indeed there seems to be a serious problem with nightshows. Where are Tia, Masha, Kristina, and other girls ? Many of them simply moved to dayshows, or came back to these shows (Jessica, Suzy). I wouldn't be surprised if they hired one or two cameramen who stare at girls a little too bit pervertly, if you see what I mean.
Anyway, something important and pitiful appears to be happening.

bellerophon wrote:I promised I would, so I did:

Last night's show was in VIP sms terms not quite as bad as Sunday, thanks to Annabelle (novelty factor)? and April. Again long timespans where no calls were being answered by the ladies.

After a year of close monitoring we know that:
1) It doesn't matter how good the shows are
2) All that's really important is who's on and what day it is.

I don't know whether the etv staff are analysing their stats closely enough or whether they're simply giving the boss the big picture rather then the details. They have taken on board that Sunday and Monday are bad nights so they concentrate the least popular models there. It doesn't have to be like that of course. When Scarlet and then Chelsea were running their Monday night "new girl" shows, Monday was the second most popular day of the week after Saturday. Vicious/virtuous circle.

I can't help feeling that if the boss knew the detailed breakdown of their own stats, then 5 or 6 models would have been removed a long time ago. I don't see him, businessman that he is, willingly keeping on consistently loss-making models month after month. It doesn't make any commercial sense and it's not fair on the other girls who effectively subsidise their wages.

They seem to be having problems recruiting again. And yet, over the years, the models often seem to arrive in batches of several at a time. In 2012 there was a whole bunch who came in the middle of February and another bunch in June, so there must be willing girls out there somewhere in the bars, unis and agencies, even if they don't last long when they find out what etv is all about. I hope etv has at the moment someone of some seniority and distance from the models themselves, who spends a large part of his/her time trying to recruit new girls. If not, it's perhaps no surprise that we are where we are.

New models .. new models?

In the last 12 months are many more models that went away rather than those who have been actually working for ETV.

Which demonstrates that:
1 the working environment of ETV is very degenerate
2 ETV does not pay the models as before
3 ETV does not look for girls of high level, but is content to anyone with two hands, two legs and two breasts
4 The "old" models are tired and, now, they have been squeezed like lemons.
So the new models that currently they are putting in and NS, are really not capable of doing this job. It, simply, is not work for them.

What ETV is doing is very clear:

1 they do not affect the statistics, but the money (they at the end of the week reckoning and they are sure that a number of ugly and cheap shows has, however, brought the money)
2 they know that many models are of low quality but they also know that there are a number of customers willing to pay anyway

3 models like this for them, have a great value, they cost very little.

4 They have no interest in producing quality show for which it would be needed models of high level, ideas, fantsy and technical personnel in the studio. Suits things that cost.

5 This is also the reason why they continue with the web.The shows on the web are sad such as the ones on FTA, but because there is always someone who pays for them, they go ahead always changing the formula, but in reality, providing the same pathetic service.



The strategy of ETV is clear, promises, discounts, fabulous statements and .... nothing, all in order to scrape some money from the pockets of customers.



One question: but a customer who admired Scarlet, or Lin or Mashiara (the true Mashiara) or Gia or the countless beautiful girls (but not only beautiful, girls which were equipped with eroticism and sex appeal) we watched on ETV in the past, how he can look at April, Jeit, Annabelle, Mia etc.?

Regards

Slowfox wrote:I only expressed my concerns whether it is really necessary to discuss such things.

Well, there is nothing really "necessary" to discuss about, we all discuss here for pleasure.

Slowfox wrote:But I realize that a little strap of a tampax can well fill a page in this forum in lack of something more reasonable to discuss.

There were only 3 comments. If it has filled "a page" as you said it´s in part thanks to you. We discuss about whatever, more and less important things, and what happens for talking sometimes about some irrelevant or curious details?

Slowfox wrote:What's next ? a pimple on Nancy's bummy ? or a hair on Evah's leg ? or a spot in Brona's face ?

and if it´s so...what? why it´s so terrible?this forum has many pages, and i think you can´t find posts about it, so don´t use such demagogy: people dont talk about that things, tampax was used to make visible how a model have no problem to show her intimacies in webshows but not in TV, and not because of the fact itself, morbid or fetishism. So, be quiet.

Slowfox wrote:still believe there are things that should remain unsaid.

That´s your point. i believe we can talk about whatever (more or less imoprtant things) meanwhile we do it with respect and don´t break any rules.

best regards,

sorry but tampax is cool so I hope no one writes to ETV that they are more careful with this. for sure a little glimpse of tampax floats my boat


and of course slowfox is playing the sheriff here, because of his close relationship with Roshana he has to be the white knight of the models. been there, done that before myself.

bellerophon wrote:I don't know whether the etv staff are analysing their stats closely enough or whether they're simply giving the boss the big picture rather then the details. They have taken on board that Sunday and Monday are bad nights so they concentrate the least popular models there. It doesn't have to be like that of course. When Scarlet and then Chelsea were running their Monday night "new girl" shows, Monday was the second most popular day of the week after Saturday. Vicious/virtuous circle.

Pretty sure it's just pure amateurism. Do they even know how to make such statistics ?

I would also add the Tuesdays, which were my favorite nightshows, with Masha, Tia, Kristina, Nancy and one or two another models. What a beautiful cast it was

WILSONSAND wrote:Wow Slow! you look like a sheriff here! are you now mod?.. and...who decides here what we can talk or not? In my opinion there are no tampax shows, just moments when we can see it, nothing more, in my opinion is just something natural, not the most beautiful thing, true, but it´s something natural. To me are more disgusting some piercings and tattoos than that, honestly, but the girls decide, in this forum people say the models decide what they show or not, true ? Also, i stop believing in oops and strange coincidences in ETV a long time ago. When something must not be seen, or someone decides something must not be shown, then the cams do a very professional job. So, if this "moments" are shown, it´s because ETV don´t mind about it. And, i don´t know why we can´t discuss about something that someone has decided by his own is disgusted. Understand my point: i am not defending a discussion about the tampax shows, i am defending the chance to talk about whatever while we don´t break any rules here.

By the way, i don´t believe anybody is asking a tampax show, although i´ve seen requests of more strange and unexplainable fetishes on the screens of the studio.

best regards,

no sir, I am not. again something said has been turned to the complete opposite because people only understand what they want to understand.

I only expressed my concerns whether it is really necessary to discuss such things. But I realize that a little strap of a tampax can well fill a page in this forum in lack of something more reasonable to discuss.

What's next ? a pimple on Nancy's bummy ? or a hair on Evah's leg ? or a spot in Brona's face ?

feel free to discuss, as, of course, there is the principle of free speech and once this is of major importance for the community, but I, and that goes for me personally only, still believe there are things that should remain unsaid.

space6969 wrote:I don't watch night show on a daily basis, so I'm not an expert, but I agree that night show quality is awful and was on average better 2 or 3 years ago.
But one year ago ?
Remember Gia and her couch potato friends ? That was boring and for example Gia blossomed after ETVshow was launched.

I think an important part of ourselves is what we WANT to see. Some Gia shows were boring, but we (almost) all loved her, right ? Personnally I love to see my favorite models (Mashiara, Nancy), and I would just ask them to sit and show their nice smiles. Okay, a little dancing and stripping, but it's enough.

Slowfox wrote:well, believe then this forum is the wrong place for this comment as it will not be heard or read by those being able to take the action. you should rather write to ETV or on the ETV wall about your observations and your feelings about that.

Pretty sure that would be a nice waste of time. True, as we all collectively yelled the Studio Berlin was turned off, but that was a rare case when almost everyone was unhappy here.

Slowfox wrote:

Chris26 wrote:Uhm, because I find it disgusting and I'd prefer it not to happen anymore?
Since, you know, I really don't want to spend 2€ to tell the team to monitor their employees' lower parts.

When you don't like something, shutting up about it without ever mentioning it sounds like a scenario from 1984.

well, believe then this forum is the wrong place for this comment as it will not be heard or read by those being able to take the action. you should rather write to ETV or on the ETV wall about your observations and your feelings about that.

I remember once (and I think this was the only time) criticism made it to the "wall" and I remember their crazy childish reaction.

They told the guy who had the nerve to criticise them:
"We sincerely hope that you aren’t in the “mediocre” circle of people, whatever you do for living."
"Obviously you aren’t the audience we tried to reach."
"...you will be not anymore in our group."
etc.

Doesn't make much sense to me to try a discussion with weirdos like that.
Consequence is that criticism takes place here.

Slowfox wrote:

Chris26 wrote:Uhm, because I find it disgusting and I'd prefer it not to happen anymore?
Since, you know, I really don't want to spend 2€ to tell the team to monitor their employees' lower parts.

When you don't like something, shutting up about it without ever mentioning it sounds like a scenario from 1984.

well, believe then this forum is the wrong place for this comment as it will not be heard or read by those being able to take the action. you should rather write to ETV or on the ETV wall about your observations and your feelings about that.

Wow Slow! you look like a sheriff here! are you now mod?.. and...who decides here what we can talk or not? In my opinion there are no tampax shows, just moments when we can see it, nothing more, in my opinion is just something natural, not the most beautiful thing, true, but it´s something natural. To me are more disgusting some piercings and tattoos than that, honestly, but the girls decide, in this forum people say the models decide what they show or not, true ? Also, i stop believing in oops and strange coincidences in ETV a long time ago. When something must not be seen, or someone decides something must not be shown, then the cams do a very professional job. So, if this "moments" are shown, it´s because ETV don´t mind about it. And, i don´t know why we can´t discuss about something that someone has decided by his own is disgusted. Understand my point: i am not defending a discussion about the tampax shows, i am defending the chance to talk about whatever while we don´t break any rules here.

By the way, i don´t believe anybody is asking a tampax show, although i´ve seen requests of more strange and unexplainable fetishes on the screens of the studio.

best regards,

Chris26 wrote:Uhm, because I find it disgusting and I'd prefer it not to happen anymore?
Since, you know, I really don't want to spend 2€ to tell the team to monitor their employees' lower parts.

When you don't like something, shutting up about it without ever mentioning it sounds like a scenario from 1984.

well, believe then this forum is the wrong place for this comment as it will not be heard or read by those being able to take the action. you should rather write to ETV or on the ETV wall about your observations and your feelings about that.