Last night's show

uk334 wrote:As for the softies, don't go into the kitchen if it's to hot for you.

if they are smokers, they have no other choice ...

klemi wrote:Personally cant even stand a look on them. Even with Kate present it somehow kills the moment for me with those three and some others around her. Last night was no different. But etv now has some decent quality models, even some spectacular ones, and some fabulous newcomers. But they have to fire about 10 models and improve quality of the shows. And not to be mistaken again by some viewers here cause I am recently trying harder to be understood better, personally for me the concept was spectacular, but did not like some main actresses...

I agree 100% mate. Having them in the background is like having a cold shower.
Unfortunately there is only room for a small number of models.
That means if the established models do not move on after a period of time, there is no room for newcomers.
The whole atmosphere becomes stagnant.
As for the softies, don't go into the kitchen if it's to hot for you.

For me was it a very good show because i liked 7 of 8 models.

Mostly the wishes would be fulfilled, sometimes a little late but they fulfilled them.

The big minus for me was again Nicole. I have nothing against softmodels who stand in the corner and don´t disturb other models but Nicole got SMS´s and she answered stupid to the viewers. And her fully clothest showershow at the end was a joke.

And the second minus for me was why they do a billard show when they don´t play billiard and they used the billard mostly as bed. That was all. No match or striptease billiard....

Scarlet shines with her smiles and Kia is always superb. Kate was very good and Jane belongs more and more into a hot show. Sabrina is Sabrina, Penelope always nice and Angelina is good on the microphone and an outstanding stripper.

A... normal show, yesterday. Admittedly, not one that I'd watch again.
Certainly better than the candle show (Well, duh), but still I realize how nowadays the only good points for me are Angelina, Kate, and Kate's showers.

Still, some strange choices: they obviously scheduled Scarlet on a ... unfortunate time, let's say (remember they put her in almost at the last moment together with Kate and Nicole). Nicole for the second time in 3 nightshows (and let's spend a minute of silence for Uwe's grave loss or roughly 30€ or so for Nicole and an handbra that, althought it was promised, never materialized).

I, too, though, don't understand some incoherences: wasn't wax forbidden? And why can Jane do such a show with such angles while others don't (I don't think Angelina or Kia would have any problems with that kind of show or angles)?

To end in a positive note, Angelina still is and remains a star in this channel, every single fricking show.

Joker1305 wrote:

klemi wrote:I have only one short comment on this one. ETV uses these concept shows or theme shows just as an excuse to make these shows softer and softer. Even worse, they show us repeatedly the first hour of the most pathetic shows in morning programm. It kills even that smallest part of their fastly vanishing reputation...Soft as they are, they SUCK all the way to North pole. But hey probably they get enough cash from messages and calls, so why would they go back to good programmes they had. So for me this is

Maybe it is, maybe it's not. For me it wasn't the fault of the concept but way it was done. It basically had potential for hot and erotic scenes, but with the total darkness and confused camera operation and switching, no way to succeed.
If they really wanted make soft shows tasty for the viewers that way they totally failed.

Sorry but Tessa, Athina and Lilian for me will never be accepted as night stars. They dont deserve to be there in nightshows, in golden times of etv they were not there, but maybe in morning programm. Put Naomi, Carla, Brona, Evah, Chloe, Kimberly, Kate, Scarlet or Mashi and some others as major stars yesterday with good proffesional work from stuff, uffff you have a spectacle show.

??? OK, Athina and Lilian aren't my favourites for a nightshow, but most of the girls you'd like to have aren't night show models at all.

You certainly cant suceed with 2 stars and 5-6 models that me personally cant even stand a look on them. Even with Kate present it somehow kills the moment for me with those three and some others around her. Last night was no different. But etv now has some decent quality models, even some spectacular ones, and some fabulous newcomers. But they have to fire about 10 models and improve quality of the shows. And not to be mistaken again by some viewers here cause I am recently trying harder to be understood better, personally for me the concept was spectacular, but did not like some main actresses...

Anyway ETV managed also to deliver poor shows with a great cast. Though I'm not happy with the performance of some of the models and some are just not my bias the basic reason why we occasionally see poor shows is mainly behind the camera.
And I doubt there's a big target behind, therefor the level of the shows is too much volatile.
Regards
Joker

By writing those names of soft models I just wanted to say that those girls could be interesting within such concept of a soft show with almost no light...But they failed as they failed last night again. Top of it all, Nicole should go home and find a decent job or get rid of maybe some jealous man not allowing her to strip...She made the most stupid explanation of why she cant strip anymore.

klemi wrote:I have only one short comment on this one. ETV uses these concept shows or theme shows just as an excuse to make these shows softer and softer. Even worse, they show us repeatedly the first hour of the most pathetic shows in morning programm. It kills even that smallest part of their fastly vanishing reputation...Soft as they are, they SUCK all the way to North pole. But hey probably they get enough cash from messages and calls, so why would they go back to good programmes they had. So for me this is

Maybe it is, maybe it's not. For me it wasn't the fault of the concept but way it was done. It basically had potential for hot and erotic scenes, but with the total darkness and confused camera operation and switching, no way to succeed.
If they really wanted make soft shows tasty for the viewers that way they totally failed.

Sorry but Tessa, Athina and Lilian for me will never be accepted as night stars. They dont deserve to be there in nightshows, in golden times of etv they were not there, but maybe in morning programm. Put Naomi, Carla, Brona, Evah, Chloe, Kimberly, Kate, Scarlet or Mashi and some others as major stars yesterday with good proffesional work from stuff, uffff you have a spectacle show.

??? OK, Athina and Lilian aren't my favourites for a nightshow, but most of the girls you'd like to have aren't night show models at all.

You certainly cant suceed with 2 stars and 5-6 models that me personally cant even stand a look on them. Even with Kate present it somehow kills the moment for me with those three and some others around her. Last night was no different. But etv now has some decent quality models, even some spectacular ones, and some fabulous newcomers. But they have to fire about 10 models and improve quality of the shows. And not to be mistaken again by some viewers here cause I am recently trying harder to be understood better, personally for me the concept was spectacular, but did not like some main actresses...

Anyway ETV managed also to deliver poor shows with a great cast. Though I'm not happy with the performance of some of the models and some are just not my bias the basic reason why we occasionally see poor shows is mainly behind the camera.
And I doubt there's a big target behind, therefor the level of the shows is too much volatile.
Regards
Joker

I have only one short comment on this one. ETV uses these concept shows or theme shows just as an excuse to make these shows softer and softer. Even worse, they show us repeatedly the first hour of the most pathetic shows in morning programm. It kills even that smallest part of their fastly vanishing reputation...Soft as they are, they SUCK all the way to North pole. But hey probably they get enough cash from messages and calls, so why would they go back to good programmes they had. So for me this is the biggest cheating right now; so called theme shows with far less nudity then in past. And with far less attractive and popular models. Sorry but Tessa, Athina and Lilian for me will never be accepted as night stars. They dont deserve to be there in nightshows, in golden times of etv they were not there, but maybe in morning programm. Put Naomi, Carla, Brona, Evah, Chloe, Kimberly, Kate, Scarlet or Mashi and some others as major stars yesterday with good proffesional work from stuff, uffff you have a spectacle show. You certainly cant suceed with 2 stars and 5-6 models that me personally cant even stand a look on them. Even with Kate present it somehow kills the moment for me with those three and some others around her. Last night was no different. But etv now has some decent quality models, even some spectacular ones, and some fabulous newcomers. But they have to fire about 10 models and improve quality of the shows. And not to be mistaken again by some viewers here cause I am recently trying harder to be understood better, personally for me the concept was spectacular, but did not like some main actresses...

Slowfox wrote:...
And listening to the comments already made during the first 1,5 hours into the show via sms by the good audience, etv is presumably well aware that this is something the fans do not want to see again.

the concept itself has my appreciation, however, with the draw backs as mentioned under a)

SF

Somehow tragic an interesting concept is being destroyed because of bad craftsmanship.
With such a difficult light situation you really need experts behind the cam and at the mixers, IMHO that's a general problem at ETV which already is obvious with simple show concepts and leads to total failure on demanding concepts.

Regards
Joker

I dont like the last night show...

it was sooooooooo boring to watch....

-.-

a)
see my previous comment below

b)
mainly see negative comments to yesterdays night show, but on the other hand I see requests for:

- changes, improvements, something different,

because shows are:

- lame, boring, always the same models, too much talking, failing with last weekends VIP message initiative.

so what do you want ? where is the alternative to the alternative etv tries to offer ?

agree with you that the last show wasn't a success, and admittedly I didn't dare to watch, but I see it as a way to improve the show by at least trying to do something different, initially regardless whether this my fail or not. And listening to the comments already made during the first 1,5 hours into the show via sms by the good audience, etv is presumably well aware that this is something the fans do not want to see again.

the concept itself has my appreciation, however, with the draw backs as mentioned under a)

SF

Changing formats is a good thing. Maybe it is wise from ETV to look upfront how the format will workout. In my opinion the nightshows of this week look more like a talkshow instead of an erotic show. When I want to watch a talkshow I switch to another channel. For erotic show I keep watching ETV, but not yesterday night. Hope ETV will improve.

Chris26 wrote:

Watcher wrote:So the consensus is that last night's format was a mistake.
Mistakes are good ...
... as long as they are made only once.

I think that the format wasn't a mistake "per se", it was the way they went through with it that was completely wrong, on an objective level (and, well, subjective, of course).
I mean, they have the monitors where they see what they are showing, how couldn't they notice that nobody could see anything for an hour and more?

Again, the format (and I repeat, like every other format) has potential, but not done this way.

It's good to see a contrary view of events.
Maybe my choice of the word "format" was flawed but if they choose to try again, they will have to approach it differently.
[nitpick] Viewed under subdued lighting, a monitor can look deceptively bright so it is quite possible that they may not have noticed [/nitpick].

I agree with exploring various formats but, as I said, only make mistakes once.

Watcher wrote:So the consensus is that last night's format was a mistake.
Mistakes are good ...
... as long as they are made only once.

I think that the format wasn't a mistake "per se", it was the way they went through with it that was completely wrong, on an objective level (and, well, subjective, of course).
I mean, they have the monitors where they see what they are showing, how couldn't they notice that nobody could see anything for an hour and more?

Again, the format (and I repeat, like every other format) has potential, but not done this way.

So the consensus is that last night's format was a mistake.
Mistakes are good ...
... as long as they are made only once.

Watched a few mins of the start and all they had to do to was mask the outer panel of the lanterns facing the camera to avoid the direct light closing the aperture. Same principle as someone shining a battery torch in your eyes, you can see the source, but not the person holding the source until they block the direct source.