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My point. I don´t like this treatment of "battle" that has been told here. Really i think it´s a big mistake.
The critic of a show, the critic of a model work or the praising and the celebration of the show or model work, never should be reason enough for starting a fire, because different opinions is the basis for a forum. But it seems, sometimes, unfortunately, some people works with or without intent for the failing of the discussion and the confrontation, just in the moment when someone breaks the discussion and starts an off-topic attack/provocation to the guy who has posted something he doesn´t like. I think the off-topics should be more controlled by mods, honestly. The most controversial model of ETV for sure is reflected in the most controversial thread, it is very logic. But i think all should be within the topic, and confrontation of points of view is not a bad thing to me (just the opposite) and also it´s not a "i have the right and you don´t" issue, as we are talking about opinions, and opinions are not certainty, so nobody is right when we are talking about personal thoughts of feelings about a show or a model. What i think it´s really bad is the out off-topic personal confrontation/provocation against the people who thinks different than you. This things don´t usually happen in another threads about other models, do you notice?Hilbert usually posts videos like that about other girls (about Ju, for example) and i see no comments like this and so strong reactions. In this case, it´s not opinion, it´s just two videos, and the words are exactly the words from Karry. What is the problem? why "not post it"? It´s just Karry answering messages. Because the issue was treated in the past? i didn´t see that videos before, i think it´s a good contribution, i am grateful for the contribution and the hard work from Hilbert. Karry´s beauty, her class or her authenticity has been treated also until the infinite, is it reason enough for not posting about it anymore? I think not. Should we begin to not posting when we are writing something within the forum rules because the avoiding of some bad off-topic reaction? MY answer is no. It the post is right, control the reaction, just it. Honestly, if i were a Karry "fan", i would have posted a video of Karry making a good show or Karry answering nicely or funny to a message, and i would think it´s the best reply to the Hilbert´s post. But something happen when someone make a critic about Karry as model or a Karry show from a personal point of view and then the switch of the defensive machinery turns on, and starts against the guy who makes the comment, and suddenly appears sentences and words like "you are insulting","you are disrespectful","you are against her", "hatred", "you have nothing better to do","stupid", "useless", "pointless", "hater"... When i read that words, and so radical, i think i shouldn´t be here and i am tempted to give up, really. I would ask respect for the people, to all people, and respect for the different points of view without this hostility. I´ve never called stupid a position different than mine, but my position has been called like that, even my name has been written in some mocker tone,...so i am insulted in any way, just because the thing i say don´t like to some guys. Maybe you don´t think like me, but i will never call you idiot for it, i´ll try to respect you and deffend my right to express my point of view without being harashed. I guess we all can make something to improve the situation, really. But we all should accept that anybody can like to all people, that some people can love a model and others not, and all of us have the same space and the same freedom here to express our opinions without being personally attacked. The defense of my opinion, the defense of what i love, or the defense of my criticism, never should mean an attack to others, if i do that, if we do that, me, we are doing a big mistake. |
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I guess I'm not the right person who should teach others
 .But these are my personal principles for writing my posts: 1) I never intentionally hurting anyone. 2) I writing my opinions and feelings always honestly and respectable. 3) I respect the opinions of others even if I disagree with their opinions. 4) I'm trying to understand the feelings and views of others. 5) Every beginning a personal dispute I resolves only on PM. I think that these principles should be observed by all members of the forum  .But then this forum will be probably very boring  .
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Watcher wrote:@Chris26 Would be in line with the life style there very much
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Watcher wrote:@Chris26 Trolling in it's purest form is obviously welcome here, as long as it's not in any way critical towards ETV, and anything critical is then called "discussion" in quotation marks. Pathetic... |
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Chris26 wrote:And T_C, you can shove your reply to me wherever you like, no offense intended, but if you're going to attack me like that I'm not going to shut up just because you are a mod. well, according to your posts in the last days the style I've writen my post is only the personal way to express a pov. but as it's not writen by one of your friends it's of course an attack although no unfriendly word was used by me. I have seriously no interest to join this "discussion" (although everyone knows that the posts of the last days aren't anything that would be worth to be called a discussion) and my interest was just to show that you are in no way better than the ones you usually criticize. as you've been in the past someone who used also in fervid discussion his brain more than the heart or bad mood you are a perfect example for the situation in the etv folders. also forum members who were known as good and fair members are changed to poster with mainly personal off topic attacks. thus I'll continue with closing threads or will give warnings for the ones who cannot stop themself as it seems that a break from the etv topic to cool down a bit would be the best for everyone in the etv folders. |
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Chris26 wrote:You all (mods included) are just confirming what I wrote, anyway, actually the situation is even worse than I had imagined. And T_C, you can shove your reply to me wherever you like, no offense intended, but if you're going to attack me like that I'm not going to shut up just because you are a mod. If that is so, why are you still here, then? Why are your comments not deleted? Banning you is just one mouseclick away for me, it would be so easy to find a reason. Take a look in the "WTF-zone", the last entry is the post with which you opened the Karry discussion yesterday. Is that what "is worth to be written" ? Yeah...freedom of speech, the preciuos gift for free societies...and what you use it for.... |
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Mr_Niceguy wrote:@Chris26, Wilsondsand, Space, Cyrano, and anybody who feels "on the other side" I didn't see any like from you under this post.... so what are we to do, just leave you in charge of the forum, I think not, the right to have an opinion does not include to deny others the same right. Strange, though, it seems that here all the complainers are not allowed to have an opinion.  Like I said in one of the points that have been dutifully neglected (evidently a touchy subject) by Dazaman or by any mod, saying anything against Karry (just to stay in topic as that has been laughably closed) automatically gives you and many other people the right to insult and criticize people who are merely stating that they are not satisfied with the way Karry is working. This is disgusting also because of the connivance of the entire mod team about this (at least those who scour the ETV section). Not to mention, in the end the non-complainers are always right, for some reason or the other, yet there have been cases in which either side should've warranted well more than a warning, but for some curious case, the non-complainers are always protected, pampered, and so on.Many of you are denying other people the right to have an opinion, at least that's the way I see it. And congratulation, it's very easy to say "it's not worth it " with a big smile when you know that you are allowed to say anything you want in here.
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Watcher wrote:@Chris26 Ah, I was wondering when that would show up.  You all (mods included) are just confirming what I wrote, anyway, actually the situation is even worse than I had imagined. And T_C, you can shove your reply to me wherever you like, no offense intended, but if you're going to attack me like that I'm not going to shut up just because you are a mod. To quote, "I'm not sad. I'm disappointed", but as I already wrote, that will not change things, I will always write whatever I feel like writing and I feel like is worth to be written, now with the safe knowledge that freedom of speech is not tolerated here (unless it is in accordance with the views of the mod team and the usual privileged). |
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zxcv wrote:One more time ….we find the whole ETV sections and threads are in a highly polarizing status due to the endless , ongoing discussions , fights , clashes between the two old rivals ..... @Chris26, Wilsondsand, Space, Cyrano, and anybody who feels "on the other side" I didn't see any like from you under this post.... so what are we to do, just leave you in charge of the forum, I think not, the right to have an opinion does not include to deny others the same right. and no it isn't worth al that.
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Chris26 wrote:@dazaman, thanks for replying to none of the points that I have raised, ... don't get shocked but maybe some persons have absolutely no interest to answer to you and thus their answers simply don't fit to your posts nor points. please don't be too sad about this. |
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@dazaman, thanks for replying to none of the points that I have raised, and what you wrote just shows that you are completely and utterly biased towards one side of the discussion, despite you claiming otherwise. Maybe it's in good faith because you prefer to have a forum where all the topics are only full of positive comments, I can't say, but after what you wrote I really see no reason to change my way of writing here, whether you like it or not.
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@zxcv
I don't want this discussion to continue in perpetuum but you do raise some points for reply. 1- I have a sad feeling that your recognition of the root cause and my recognition of the root cause would be from differing angles. 2- I accept your definition but note that "rich" is a relative term. Where "rich" starts is rather imprecise. 3- "the time being" is just a point in history, so I maintain my view of "civilising societies". Many have been 'civilised' out of existence. I accept that others have different views, thoughts, opinions to me, life would be boring if this was not the case, it is not a necessity to accept them though. Someone with a well reasoned and qualified argument could persuade me to rethink my position. 4- And everybody should speak for themselves. But that means that he "Dreamers" share 'variations on a dream' and with some having their own agendas, the message gets distorted. Seeing the whole situation from your angle may not be the right angle for some other "Dreamers". |
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Lets just start with those Gold members and all are rich? nope i know a few who are very much not in this class and work there ass off to enjoy what they worked for all the week, again prejudging.
Now lets get to the rest of whats wrong with the ETV folder shall we It is a case of most members now have a habit of not even trying to keep on topic but want to make everything personal and always the same reasons, before even looking at a post they see the member who as posted and yep its someone they personally dislike, so next thing they do is try to dissect every part of a post and only highlight the parts they dislike, even going to the point of accusing of racism in some cases, even though the post was not about them, which then follows the usual trash argument, of course mods get involved and next thing is, your judgment is wrong and always pick there side The games some play just to get an argument going is bazaar even to the point of making stories up and rumours even though they know nothing about the person, as always they just simply don't like that member, this as become more about indevidual members rather than about the shows, while this continues the folder will never change and all the discussions will consist of 3 or 4 posts of just insults and then nothing, is that discussing a certain topic they chose to post in? nope just attacking for no reason other than there dislike for that member. I have been accused of things and also bullshit written about me and why? because certain members dislike not how i moderate but who i am, do they know me? nope again most who judge me only see what i write and of course the rumours started from someone who took a dislike to me, is that fair judgment? or could it be classed as racism towards me  There's an old saying in the UK "i'm not always right, but i'm never wrong" the case is, those who post live by this as neither side is willing to admit they could possibly be wrong, so we just end up going around in circles and never actually get an end result, normally an argument starts over the smallest thing then escalates in to a major old argument that should have been dead long before, of course even this never gets resolved and a month later, same 2 or 3 members re-start the same old argument. This is not aimed at just one side but is at both, if this kind of thing continues with no give or take on either side then it will never end, if you want this to happen then just keep on doing as you are and prejudging and dissecting, but don't bitch and moan if you get warnings given, why some members don't post is down to these both sides who are not willing to let members stuck in the middle to post as they could be the next target of either side. Move on and let others have there say rather than jump on every word as thats not helping the credibility of the ETV folder in any way, it only serves to feed prejudice against either side. |
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@Watcher
1- what really amuses me that you recognized the current polarizing status …However you never tried to recognize what's the main reason behind it ….Don't u think this is really a great shame . 2- As for the .."luckers" ... The expression notes ...The state of being rich ....And as it's well known , most of ETV customers are rich ...then the expression comes with the same line of the reality ..I guess no one will mind or feel offended ...if I name the rich ones as a lucky one . ...So , you got it . 3- Now I am speaking about the time being ...and When I did mentioned the quality of the " civilizing societies" ….I suppose that you precisely knows very well .....which main quality I am talking about : To accept the others different thoughts , opinions rather than yours … And To accept the other different people than you ...no matter what their culture , education , mental state were /are/will be . So , Have you ever tried to do that in our forum …….The question back to you ????? 4- Naturally , I wasn't and I will not speak on behalf of anyone …I was writing from my own point of view about the current state of the forum ....I intended to let the other fellow members to see the whole situation from my own angle ..... |
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