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I have only one question:
Why now you all mods make it happen? If i remember right this whole situation is not from only yesterday is a long process about more than just one year. I´am almost honest in everything i do and it´s just a matter of policy i want from all mods too! |
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zxcv wrote:If I am not occasionally mistaken .... Hi zxcv, if i remember before this outrage of people being demoted or banned some had a second account  do not play in glass houses
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zxcv wrote:....within the limits of respect .bullseye |
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Just two citations:
1-"Sans la liberté de blâmer, il n'est point d'éloge flatteur." Beaumarchais le mariage de Figaro (Without the freedom to criticize, there is no flattering praise.) 2-« I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it ». falsely attributed to Voltaire |
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If I am not occasionally mistaken ....
But I have noticed lately that many of the ...." famous posters "...have been stopped lately ....whether by suspension for the account itself....or through demoting them to the standard level without no VIP status . In all cases , without doubt this is the business of the mods team ....it's up to them to generally evaluate every member's activities and behavior ........and therefore , decide what exactly should be done with him . And yes ....before anyone else say it ......I will say it .....this is not my business . But quite frankly I started to feel worry about the limits of freedom in our forum . the free space in the web which we used to come to together to share some thoughts and some ideas ....within the limits of respect . Unfortunately I started to feel completely the opposite .....and I must say that .....I am very concerned....about whom will be suspended ....and which new account will be demoted ......who's the next one . I am very concerned . |
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well, reading the posts about Karry's birthday show I think it's a good example for the etv folders nowadays.
I've seen several posts about ... hmm ...if I've understood correctly it's mainly about the own the dick size  but nobody (yes, exactly 0 persons) made a post about unscheduled models in the night show and the After Hour, too. so if you say etv folders = (mostly) lost web space & wasted time it will be difficult to disagree. |
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The days of chivalry are fading into the past, so maybe it's time for the "White Knights" to leave.
Judging by the current state of 'meaningful discussion', you're welcome to it. |
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@eigentor
Tonight i noticed about this post. It´s ok, i thank you for being kind with me, really, You know i have the respect from guys form both sides, and that´s not so easy in this days...so i am humbly proud of my way of writing here, because i never failed to my own convictions.This is the only way i know and the only way i want for being here. I will try to not be very long with this. First you admit: "And I agree, we did protect them." I would say you keep doing it, it´s my opinion. You say: Slowfox "was insulted and dragged through the dirt. Models were called webcam bitches and prostitutes". First of all i am against that in the same way i am against mobbing to the critical guys, and second: It´s your fault, you can´t allow that. Nobody here should be insulted and neither the models. In my opinion this forum won´t be the place i like to stay until a comment like "in my opinion, Karry is the most boring model, she should not be in night shows anymore" can be so respected and protected by members and mods like a comment like this: "i love Karry, she is the most wonderful girl on earth and she was stunning". I defend the freedom for saying what we think meanwhile we do it with respect...what i want to say is : nobody should be insulted, bullied or attacked because his tastes, thoughts and preferences about the models or the shows, but neither when someone make a critic with respect. The respect for different opinions should be sacred, and i admit my own faults if there was, i am not perfect and my bad english don´t help me, but i try to learn of my own mistakes and i see everyday arrogant guys here who thinks they know it all and they seem to be in some certain position very close to ETV, because it´s seems it´s ETV who is writing!!! and now i hope you can understand me. Maybe it´s not true, but believe me, it seems so, and it´s seems so a lot, very, very very much, and i am not talking about mods, or at least not only about some mods. I hope you can excuse to the guys who are confusing, but believe me: its very easy to confuse it. So i hope you can excuse the confusion from some guys who thinks the stubborn defense can mean something very close to ETV. answering your questions: "Should we have even more rules?" I think no, i think you should be more carefully with the application of the rules "Delete more posts or ban the protagonists? " If you want to set a fair place, yes, but banning or warning whoever violate the rules, insulting, making fun of other members... But be careful, because bullying and attacking have not only the form of insults... Here are some guys, likely not much, who enjoy making fun of another guys personal opinions. "Who should be warned or banned and for what reason?" i am not a mood, that is your work, i know very well it´s not easy to be a mod, in fact in am a mod in another place, so i know what means to set rules and how umpleasant is. The only thing i will say is you can´t allow this kind of atmosphere here, and much less with the support of mods (even with active participation siding with one or the other, remember a mod opinion is not only a simple opinion, because it can be understood as forum position), because a lot of guys are out of the forum bored, and tired, and the forum is close to be the first "ETV fan club" with everyday less members here and all aplauding everything from ETV. I insist is my point of view. I am not asking you the aplication of the censorship and deleting posts, but i would like you advise in the same way the different cases from both sides. Both are bad for the forum, i don´t believe in the always ETV-deffense and neither in the always ETV-attack. I don´t like such radical positions, I think ETV is doing a lot of things very bad and some models do horrible shows, especially at night, but i believe they can do better things, and in fact i find some things good. Unfortunately i find the bad things more often than the good ones. IT´s my opinion, and what i want is being free to say it without the firing squad waiting for saying me "why you post this video? "you don´t have better things to do with your time?" "why you are obsessed with this? " or...."if you don´t like it, go to another place, and don´t bother here" because maybe the other position bothers me in the same way, and maybe some guys are not respectful enough with another members, and then if there is no other way, you (mods) should try to do something. Finally, please, don´t confuse " be as liberal as possible" with looking to another place for not seeing, it´s pernicious. I respect your work a lot, believe me, but i begin to dislike what this forum is becoming, sorry, and there are a lot of guys silent, tired or bored of this forum. And i know they think the same than me, we have conversations about it. |
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outside wrote:Another prove I was right, as usual. LOL! You see weakness in my post and that is wrong, my post was intended to stop this bullshit, you saved Sabrina, but could have saved her quicker by telling me, do not try that bullshit game. Avoid focus on what, i asked a simple request for you to stop insulting LSTV forum members on Italy and more like as always avoiding what was said and making up for it with the little things. Btw adding over a thousand words in your next reply does not change my original question or make you right. Also trying to drag others in to this shows what your like, this is a simple request and no insult to the Italian forum. |
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Another prove I was right, as usual.
And as usual, discussion is hijacked to italian forum to avoid the focus. Plus insults and threats. Good job. So, since there is italian forum, is allowed to attack me here to balance the situation? I noticed you even sent a report about a link to Admin for Sabrina's thread even though you knew i was online, i did not see it as i was busy with other things, you hate me that much that you would put a models private life at risk for your own gain so you could use it in a post at a later date? Don't flip your omelette, I have reported that post even though I might ignore, but I have done and Sabrina's fb is safe because of me, not because of you, busy with you stupid awards (your biggest fail, as I said to a your colleague). I have reported the post and didn't write you a PM because I don't speak to people who I contempt. Contempt is different than hate. I don't hate you, hate is a waste of energy, and you don't deserve. And about eigentor, if that was the way he wanted to be "friendly" to me, I will do without of his "friendship" willingly. |
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outside wrote:Yes, you, slowfox, andreas, dreamlander and the whole lodge, as zxcv well explained some time ago. I don't feed trolls  Constant insults from you posted on Italy towards forum members and forum Moderators is you being nice and wanting a discussion on LSTV? Your constant bullshit posts accusing us of lying and you expect no reply??? PS. Do not concentrate on the minor parts of this as you normally do to avoid the real points on most posts. I will ask you straight and now as this shit as gone on for too long, stop posting insults about forum members and Moderators on Italy (your truths) not real truths, there is always 2 sides to each storey on everything and if anyone wants to know why outside got sacked then just ask others as well as him. Accusing someone like eigentor of being an ********* is being nice, he tried to be friends with you and of course now he speaks his mind you try to make it so others have brain washed him, grow up. Your that fixated with hate towards Mods here seems to be more  rather than anything rational and why did you get sacked Hmmmm. Mods are free to speak there minds about any channel but know theres a limit, you don't! I noticed you even sent a report about a link to Admin for Sabrina's thread even though you knew i was online, i did not see it as i was busy with other things, you hate me that much that you would put a models private life at risk for your own gain so you could use it in a post at a later date? Really sad  Your posts have become more attacking towards members rather than the shows, but thats about ETV and nope won't get dragged in to that mess You say you defend others and for what? So you can insult anyone at anytime and say its for a good reason, your cheap posts are going well beyond fiction now and there is no reason for any of this. Someone respected at Italy said why attack Italy all the time, now i ask why attack LSTV all the time, this needs both sides to agree and we stayed silent for a long time but your constants attacks are just keeping things going. Last request outside: stop these personal attacks now, there was no need for it before and no need for it now. PS. time for me to enjoy my relaxing day away
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Mr_Niceguy wrote:eigentor wrote:Sorry for this very long post. Sadly I am not a good forum writer. Yes, you, slowfox, andreas, dreamlander and the whole lodge, as zxcv well explained some time ago. And about eigentor post, he has just done the opposite of what he has written here few minutes before. Was that the same person? Do what I said, don't do what I did. |
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eigentor wrote:Sorry for this very long post. Sadly I am not a good forum writer. Ofcourse I have to disagree with this last statement.  excellent post and thank you for explaining a bit on how moderating a forum acctually works. To be honest I wouldn't like to be in your shoes. I think however you shoudln't underestimate the average forum member. We are well aware (i think) to recognize a double standard when we see one and we know the members who have demonstrated them. We can judge the quality of a post not by its length, but by its content. We can all see a small number of people who try to dominate the forum and certainly some threads by just repeating eachother and then thanking eachother for it. To be honest I have no idea why these people do this. Some claim to wanna be of help to ETV, but helping someone by tearing down the legs you stand on does not seem to be the right way to me. Normal people wanna enjoy with positiv energy so that would mean a general positiv attitude. What we see in some members is very negativ attitude towards everything. Ofcourse everybody is free in their own choice. So I hope these people themselves also feel that way. I would like to ask again in general, are the forum members allowed to enjoy ETV even when you think it is crap? |
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I could just confirm what I wrote here, and now I am more convinced about what I wrote.
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