The state of the forum (ETV)

I can't understand why if someone doesn't like the ETV situation is soon labeled like a "complainer", I guess ETV is not the toy of anyone, it is a TVchannel and a web site avaible to everyone (almost) and if i watched this channel for several years i should be free to think that something that i don't like may change and i should be free to explain my opinion.
In no case i feel me offended by different point of views, why some other should be? Moreover i think that not everything is right because someone likes it, and that to speak about can only improve things, but ..... if you don't like the toy of some other, you are a complainer!!

What i really don't like are persons which think that they can change the opinions of others, just because they have a "title"

Well, you can try..... but you will not succeed

HvB wrote:Whatever the state of the forum is: it is boring.

Hi HvB!
Since you yourself in this forum said that you have been in ETVland to discuss strategic decisions for the future,
probably you can notice that first reason for which the forum (ETV section) is boring is the quality of the shows.
Probably these strategic decisions are positive for someone, but not for the peace, for the quality of comments and videos posted in the forum.

So my advice: a different kind of strategic decisions could make a "miracle" and you could find the forum itself no more boring.
Try to do your best. I know you can.
Otherwise we all will be forced to read that wonderful "ETV-Wall" in order to not get bored .

Cheers

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As regard Outside.
Probably during the last months I missed some posts, but I know his value and his qualities.
I know how much time he spends exclusively for ETV.
Sincerely: he can be defined disappointed (as I am) with the channel, but absolutely not a "hater".
You should read what he wrote about some models in Italian (our mother language).
I've never been so elegant as him.
It's the channel which has destroyed his enthusiasm.

It seems you have some matters with me, since you quickly thank posts attacking me, please don't flip your own omelette.
I am not interested at discussing with you.
I am not interested at discussing at all, I have just to defend myself from personal attacks I have received.
All at once, strange isn't it?

@outside

any reason to mention me by name, sir ?

I could consider this as personally offensive, but a deletion of your comment wouldn't ease the situation either

In case you have a personal issue suggest to discuss in a more private environment. And picking up on the reason for naming me, I could as well draw your attention to the fact that there is a substantial lack of outside's hits under my posts or any other posts being of a similar opinion.

However, certainly can live with the circumstance being your target to get ridd of some frustration. be my very guest. but this will help neither you nor me nor anybody else

@ all

I can not understand why there are always people who want to spoil other peoples fun with things. people, who are destructive, offensive and stubborn for reasons I can not really follow. But apparently the core point of this discussion is not anymore etv and its development, but instead has been raised, or better say lowered, to a personal level amongst a few.

My suggestion is to stop it now and refrain from letting things to escalate only because of some antipathy of just a handful of people, to the detriment of the forum. those people in question should, in case they are mature enough, find a way to settle this and return to a peaceful co-operation and life in the forum.

This is eventually not our life, although part of our life, and should build a hobby and something to have some fun and to relax after a hard day of working, and not a political platform where people share only some animosities.

slow

HvB wrote:Whatever the state of the forum is: it is boring. Practically no info posted anymore, just a lot of assumptions posted as facts.
On the positive side: at least members don't get removed without notice or info as it happens in some 'free' forum.

So do you know other kind of "free" forum, HvB?

Whatever the state of the forum is: it is boring. Practically no info posted anymore, just a lot of assumptions posted as facts.
On the positive side: at least members don't get removed without notice or info as it happens in some 'free' forum.

Let's avoid multiquote:
@dazaman
Firstofall I'd expect something more than a personal attack. No more reasons it seems. It seems I have overrated you, I just should expect lies, false arguments and low blows.
You just want to provoke an aggressive reaction from me so Mauro will have the smoking gun to ban me.
I overrated you, but you underrated me.

1st sentence:
eigentor did, I was named "negative fanboy" and "in permanent campaign". He was the only one of course.
Not the first time you threw the stone and then hid your hand.
Not the first time you shot the crowd.

2nd sentence:
You are lying consciuosly. And you were referring to a single episode about an annoying member (The Feeling) who wrote something about "elite theory" who was the root of nazism and racist theories. That was offensive versus all non-german speaking people (italian, arabic, spanish, french, english and so on). And more than one italian guy complained about that.
That's why I reported that post. Reported, not removed.

What happened with legxpert-rockabye didn't happen here so it's not a matter of discussion here. He was banned from here too, and it wasn't of course me to ban him.
You did refer always to the same episodes, such as a loop. Nothing more.
I know you are fighting a personal war against me but this isn't the appropriate battle field.
There are 2 fighters needed to fight a war. I won't.
If there's one who is bullying, that's just you with your post.

3rd sentence:
Sorry but I haven't received any private message. Maybe you forgot inserting me in the mailing list.

4th sentence:
Too easy to make jokes with your mother tongue.
Do you want to try in italian?

5th sentence:
Sorry to disappoint you, but I have a life too. What about you?
About my sources, remember, asking questions is my job.
And you are not a judge in a court, so I am not forced to reveal where info I have come from.

6th sentence:
You have just contradicted yourself. So you were referring to me.
Please get an agreement to yourself first.

Your sentence is selfish, not mine. You are aggressive, not me.
About the content, no need to comment, just it was 100% false.
I did my constructive critics, my modest proposal is still here. And that wasn't the only one.
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And if I was still a moderator I should remove Mauro's post because it was against all rules he himself has written.

Could you please explain to me what is the path of this site?

Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't hate them. I don't hate neither you (despite than you), neither Mauro (disappointment is a different feeling).
Neither slowfox, who is always ready to thank posts who attack me.
I am a happy guy. Because I know there are people who are far worse.

7th sentence:
Of course I disagree. As any common sense people would disagree. Nothing to laugh at all indeed.

@Tarl_Cabot

So what? I haven't a dreambox, neither a Sony Vega, neither the knowledges, neither the money, I am just a precarious worker (publishing is a hard sector, you know).
Why I have not titles to post? Am I not a meber anymore? I have always thanked videomakers work. More, I'll reveal you I have been a videomaker too for a while. Ask some italian friend.
And my sentence wasn't an attack to videomakers. Simply there is few to videomake.

So I am the bad guy.

That's all.

End of transmission.

outside wrote:If regulars leave is because of ETV, not because "complainers". It would be too easy.
I don't name myself a complainer, I just write what I see and what I know.
I see TV shows going down and down (proved by almost zero videos here, I know you are looking for further videomakers) and this is because of webshows.
This is a fact, not an intimidation.

just my comment about leaving, shows and videomakers as it includes me too:

I know some videomakers (some & makers = more than 1 in a group that was never very large) who left or stopped posting not because the shows but because of the forum members and especially the complainers or to quote one videomaker: dickheads.
and I know also some videomakers who stopped posting because of not enough time for making videos.
the shows in 2012 are for sure not the main or only reason for them. in 2009 were videos posted too and only the way of directing was better while the shows were often boring and soft, too.

so your post is neither intimidation, for sure not fact but probably bunk especially as you post once again about video and how to post which was never, is not and will never be your topic.

Watcher wrote:Watching the "WHO'S ONLINE?" list can be quite fascinating ...
You can see well known and respected members appear ... stay for some time ... then disappear without leaving a trace.
Maybe, as [Versteckter Link - Registrierung notwendig], this has now become a 'Read (well, quick glance) Only Area'.

Personally, I read some of the topics, get halfway through writing a reply and then abandon all hope thinking "What's the point!"

robert wrote:@zcxv
The principle is fine. Unfortunately the reality has been very different lately. The idea that anyone who isn't against ETV in everything they do is an unconditional supporter (complainers v regulars) is intimidating and stifles the very discussion you are looking for. Haven't you noticed there are no "regulars" anymore in the ETV section? People like me who like some of what ETV do have been disenfranchised. You might find that if the atmosphere stopped being so relentlessly negative that some of the "regulars" could share some of your opinions.

Probably I'm one of the well known or former regular members you refer to.
You've surely noticed a great slow down in my activity.
Maybe someone is unhappy for the missing videos , maybe someone is not so unhappy for the missing comments , but this is not the matter.
Probably I'm one of the members who "appear, stay for a while, then disappear without leaving a trace".
But in my case (and I think in many other cases) the reason is not "intimidation", it's purely disaffection, caused by the current status of the channel (ETV) which was the first reason which drew me to be member of this forum.
Everyone knows that I'm from Italy and I'm also member of an italian forum expressly dedicated to ETV.
If my decreased activity here were due to "intimidation", I could hijack all my activity to the italian forum.
But things are very different, because my activity in the italian forum has decreased even more than here, because here I can give a little contribution also in other sections (BS24, for example), while the italian forum is only about ETV.
As regard the videos: I can't find any more satisfaction in buying dozen of external hard disks, recording 24/7 a channel in order to offer my work, when my work is spending hours to search for something ridicolous for an erotic stuff.
As regard the comments It's a sort of self imposed rule: not to flood the forum with negative comments, because I can't find anything positive nowadays.
I thought that this "policy" to avoid a large number of negative posts could be seen as "something good" for the peace of the forum, because my aim has been always to do something good for the forum.
I can see that other members are in a similare situation, but I don't want to speak about them, they have their own voice. Anyway I don't think that the members who decreased their activity for these reasons whine through pms to the mods. They simply adapt themselves to the situation.
Obviously my point of view was wrong, because reducing my comments is not enough.
Probably it would be better if I can change the content, being not critical.
Since I can't do such a similar work, then I prefer to be silent, as much as I can.

But at this point I don't know anymore what I should do:

- If I'm silent I'm one of those who "appear, stay for a while, then disappear without leaving a trace"
(maybe you should know that I often log in only to read my pms or to say thank you for a post or for a video, often even for videos I don't download, because I respect the work of other members).

- If I write my thoughts I'm accused to make a sort of "intimidation" towards other members.
Me??? "Intimidator"???
A guy who has always been against every kind of censorship?
A guy who always tries to have a friendly relationship with every other members and who wants the forum to be a virtual place, big enough for everyone's points of views?

Mauro, Daz, Tari and all the other mods:
you know I respect your work and you have all my esteem.
You know I appreciate the way you do your work here (I remember certain old times...:thumbdown
But you also have to understand the reasons of people who loved ETV, who dedicated great part of their free time in order to give contribution to the diffusion of the channel.
Nowadays we see that all the work we've done has been capitalized by ETV, but in return they offer only
"prepaid imagination", using RTR, Astra or molvanian laws as unfounded pretext.

The reason of The state of the forum (ETV) must be searched in ETV itself and in the people who manipulate this channel.

vapp

outside wrote:

robert wrote:@zcxv

The principle is fine. Unfortunately the reality has been very different lately. The idea that anyone who isn't against ETV in everything they do is an unconditional supporter (complainers v regulars) is intimidating and stifles the very discussion you are looking for. Haven't you noticed there are no "regulars" anymore in the ETV section? People like me who like some of what ETV do have been disenfranchised. You might find that if the atmosphere stopped being so relentlessly negative that some of the "regulars" could share some of your opinions.

Sorry but I am not that bad guy. At least here.

OK but i dont remember anyone saying you was?

outside wrote:The only intimidation I've read here came from moderators.

Hmmm someone forgetting they used to delete posts they personally did not like never asking any other Mod what they thought? short memory, i used to get complaints about you bullying all the time

outside wrote:If regulars leave is because of ETV, not because "complainers". It would be too easy.

You don't see the PM's we get do you

outside wrote:I don't name myself a complainer, I just write what I see and what I know.

Your complaining now

outside wrote:I see TV shows going down and down (proved by almost zero videos here, I know you are looking for further videomakers) and this is because of webshows.
This is a fact, not an intimidation.

Its a hobby and members come and go as they please and if weather is fine then no time to post, some people have a life and web shows well thats against forum rules to post so can't see where this info came from or your just making up "FACTS"

outside]And about the idea that anyone who isnt against ETV in everything they do is an unconditional supporter, who has that idea (if someone does really have) is neither an unconditional supporter, it could be just Ilja or Christine.
Regulars are disenfranchised by ETV itself.
Maybe someone still contents, just a shower with pantyhose.[/quote wrote:Your hate campaign as been very aggressive to say the least, how can you hate a TV show so much i will never understand (dislike yes hate no) constructive criticism as always been welcome and you should well know, posting they should go because you hate them is very selfish towards other members, everyone makes there choice and you decided on your path which is very different to what this forum is about and you know that, Moderators follow the forum rules and when you was one you ignored yourself.

[quote='outside']P.S. I won't comment Mauro's post because It would be needed to use some unpleasant epithets. I just don't agree a word.
That's all. Have a nice day.

Of course you disagree

robert wrote:@zcxv

The principle is fine. Unfortunately the reality has been very different lately. The idea that anyone who isn't against ETV in everything they do is an unconditional supporter (complainers v regulars) is intimidating and stifles the very discussion you are looking for. Haven't you noticed there are no "regulars" anymore in the ETV section? People like me who like some of what ETV do have been disenfranchised. You might find that if the atmosphere stopped being so relentlessly negative that some of the "regulars" could share some of your opinions.

Sorry but I am not that bad guy. At least here.
The only intimidation I've read here came from moderators.
If regulars leave is because of ETV, not because "complainers". It would be too easy.
I don't name myself a complainer, I just write what I see and what I know.
I see TV shows going down and down (proved by almost zero videos here, I know you are looking for further videomakers) and this is because of webshows.
This is a fact, not an intimidation.
And about the idea that anyone who isn't against ETV in everything they do is an unconditional supporter, who has that idea (if someone does really have) is neither an unconditional supporter, it could be just Ilja or Christine.
Regulars are disenfranchised by ETV itself.
Maybe someone still contents, just a shower with pantyhose.

P.S. I won't comment Mauro's post because It would be needed to use some unpleasant epithets. I just don't agree a word.
That's all. Have a nice day.

@zcxv

The principle is fine. Unfortunately the reality has been very different lately. The idea that anyone who isn't against ETV in everything they do is an unconditional supporter (complainers v regulars) is intimidating and stifles the very discussion you are looking for. Haven't you noticed there are no "regulars" anymore in the ETV section? People like me who like some of what ETV do have been disenfranchised. You might find that if the atmosphere stopped being so relentlessly negative that some of the "regulars" could share some of your opinions.

Wondering would the world be better of ...without the bad negative words and critics ....which helped to improve many bad sides on our life …..I am a complainer and you know what ….I am proud to be ...and I have no intention to change my critical eye on anything ...why I would do .

The live forum is a free forum where we all come together to share some thoughts and some opinions in the discussion section ….and in my opinion the whole forum s still peaceful and enjoying a good mood . ...except for some specific threads not the whole section of ETV .

Regarding ...The all time clash between .....The regulars ...and ..The complainers .....it has become too boring ...but it's not fair to close the mouth of the complainers for the interest of the regulars .

If the complainers should learn how to express more satisfying spirit in order to create some more acceptable atmosphere all over the forum

The regulars also should learn .....how to accept the other negative opinions .....should know that ETV is not exclusive for them only and their opinions .

The simplest right for any human being on the earth ….is to express his opinions and views as long as he/she doesn't exceed the limits of manner and respect ... ..no matter how negative and gloomy his opinions will be …no matter how these kind of opinions would reflects some dark sides of his personality

Otherwise , we will return again to the dark ages when the masses of mankind were badly punished for not expressing ...their full obedience and the complete satisfaction ....with everything they are experiencing .

That's not what the live forum was all about ….and I think it won't be like that on one day .....and if there is any intention for that ...I don't want to be a part of this community .

Mauro wrote:<a word of command>

Amen

I'm not a man of many words but the current status of the ETV section doesn't leave me another choice than having a few words here. The ETV section used to be a really nice fun place, with many good posters and a good mood. And now? It's the complete opposite, with members taking over who sadly don't have anything better to do than spamming our forum with complaints. There's only a couple of members left who still like to watch the channel, but they have either given up posting here or - even worse - have left the forum as they know they would get bashed as soon as they make a positve post.

Yes, many great posters have left due to the fact that the ETV section (apart from the video threads) has become a rubbish place.

So let me tell you one thing:

We definitely won't accept that a couple of frustrated and unhappy members abuse our forum in order to vent their rage off on a stupid TV channel or other members who still like to watch the show. Get a life or watch something else! I'm really sick of it, I'm sick of the sick theory that we are controlled by ETV, such theories obviously grow up in minds of poeple who have too much time to think or believe in conspiracy theories or both. What would be our advantage if we let ourselves be controlled by a TV channel???

That's why we will tighten the rules from now on. Call it a dictatorship or another term of your choice, but let me tell you that we prefer a peaceful forum with less posts from peaceful members who think before they post to a rubbish place which the ETV section sadly has become, with endless repetitive rants and complaints. If you want to complain about ETV then feel free to do so, but do it on their website or spam them with emails. It's not our fault if ETV can't deliver what it used to deliver years ago. I have also given up watching, and that's what some of you should do as well!