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News Round Up Part 1 :

Cost control set to be written into F1 rules for first time :
Formula 1 is poised to have cost control written formally into its rules for the first time next year.
Governing body the FIA said that it was having "active discussions with teams regarding cost control". FIA and teams are working on an agreement that will enshrine a form of cost control over car design into the regulations. An FIA statement said the "intention is to help all teams participate in a fair and equal manner".
The teams are all concerned about F1's costs in the context of continuing global economic problems, particularly in the Eurozone. Sources say an agreement on how to limit spending on chassis is "not very far off", but emphasise that talks are still ongoing. This deal will most likely not take the form of a formal cap on budgets, but rather adopt a form of restriction on the way the teams can commit their resources.
The F1 teams are already working to a Resource Restriction Agreement, but it has been fraught with difficulties, with accusations that various teams are breaching its terms.
Despite that discontent, all the teams recognise that restricting expenditure is crucial and it has been agreed by most that the most effective way to police it is for it to be detailed in the FIA technical regulations.
"The expectation is there will be something," said a source close to the negotiations. "There has to be something. All parties are committed to it. There is a concerted philosophy towards cost reduction."
A statement from the FIA following a meeting of its World Motorsports Council (WMSC) - effectively the organisation's legislative body - said that "any amendments to the technical regulations resulting from a further limit on expenditure on the chassis will be submitted to the WMSC via a fax vote before 30 June".
However, this date is understood to be a target with the intention of focusing minds rather than a firm deadline and talks could stretch beyond that date. The FIA is also looking at finding a way of restricting resources - and therefore cutting costs - on engines. The subject of the change in engine formula due for 2014, when 1.6-litre V6 turbo engines will replace the current 2.4-litre normally aspirated V8s, was not discussed at the World Council. The potential expense of the engines is causing concern among the F1 teams. But FIA president Jean Todt said that he was working to keep costs down.
"It is true that the [2014] package will be more expensive, but it is also true that the FIA has been in consultation with the engine suppliers in order to reduce the cost increase," he told before the World Council meeting.
"For example we have already agreed to a reduction in the number of power units. From eight per driver per season in 2012, we will reduce this to five per driver in 2014 and to four per driver per season in 2015."
The FIA also said that it was having "constructive" discussions with F1 commercial boss Bernie Ecclestone over the renewal of the Concorde Agreement - the secret contract that binds the teams, the FIA and the commercial rights holder, which Ecclestone represents, together.
There was "the intention of finalising an agreement in the coming weeks", the FIA said.
The statement added that the deadline for entries for next year's world championship had been deferred from 15 July until 30 September.

Alonso and Vettel could co-exist as team-mates, say Ferrari :
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali believes Fernando Alonso and Sebastian Vettel could drive as team-mates without problems. His comments come after it was revealed that Vettel, the 2010 and 2011 world champion, has a pre-contract with Ferrari for 2014.
Domenicali said: "I think they are both intelligent guys and they could easily co-exist together."
F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone claims the arrangement "wouldn't be a problem".
Domenicali and Ecclestone were interviewed by German magazine Sport Bild, and Ferrari published extracts on their website. Ecclestone said: "All drivers want to drive for Ferrari at least once in their career, don't they?" .Domenicali responded: "In life one should never say never!"
Their remarks, as well as Ferrari's decision to highlight them, will add weight to claims that Vettel could join Alonso at Ferrari in 2014. Some F1 Sport magazine reported last month that Vettel had a pre-contract with Ferrari, believed to be two-way and performance-related.
Red Bull team boss Christian Horner denied the claims, saying they had Vettel under contract in 2014.
But Red Bull adviser Helmut Marko, the right-hand man of the company's owner Dietrich Mateschitz, admitted that the double world champion's contract contains performance clauses.
German Vettel has said he cannot imagine driving for a team other than Red Bull.
Vettel, Alonso and McLaren's Lewis Hamilton are widely regarded as the three best drivers in the world.
The best drivers tend to avoid racing for the same team, but Ecclestone said of Alonso and Vettel: "Both are drivers who are always looking for a new challenge, and to be in the same team would be a new and big challenge. "They would both think they can beat the other one, as they are sure of themselves and Stefano would do what was required to so that they were treated equally". "It would be a case of doing what I did at Brabham in 1979 with Niki Lauda and Nelson Piquet. I told them, 'guys it's simple: whichever one of you is quickest is the team number one'."
A source close to Ferrari says Alonso has vetoed the idea of Hamilton joining him at the team but given his approval to Vettel.

Formula 1 teams are considering a ban on tyre warmers for 2013 :
Formula 1 teams are considering a ban on tyre warmers from as early as next year as part of a package of cost-saving measures.With the FIA and teams currently involved in a consultation period to frame new regulations aimed at keeping finances in check, sources have revealed that one proposal being given serious thought is to outlaw tyre blankets. Such a move, which was also considered a few years ago before being dropped because of safety concerns, would save teams money in both equipment expenditure and in freight costs. Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery told that his company would be happy to produce tyres that would work well without pre-heating, but said it would need some advance warning.
"It needs planning and you have to do it well, so it is something that if they want to do they have to do it very quickly," he explained.
"What we have found in the past, when we have tried to discuss it, is that the drivers have tended to be worried about such a move, as they feel that it can create a safety issue. From our point of view, yes we can do it but we need time to do it - because it changes completely the compounds that you use."
Hembery believes that because of the time constraints - as well as the limitations imposed by it not having access to a 2012 car for private testing – it could be better for F1 if such a ban was imposed over two seasons.For 2013, he suggests, it could be possible to ban tyre warmers on wet tyres before a full-on ban on heating slicks for the following campaign.
"There might be some midway of being able to get rid of them on the wet tyres because, by the time you get down the pit straight and it is raining, you have lost your temperature anyway. So possibly we could get halfway there quickly and progress to something different for 2014."


Montezemolo on the strange 2012 season "The title depends entirely on us" :
The Ferrari President sets out the team’s next objectives: "We’ve made massive strides forward, but we need even more. In Canada, we witnessed a team that tried everything in a bid to win. That’s what I want and that’s what the fans want.” On spending: "We need to change things. The situation is starting to spiral out of control." "The current world economic situation, in particular in Europe, is starting to cause a lot of concern and F1 can’t afford not to take stock." That’s what Ferrari President, Luca di Montezemolo, told the official Ferrari website." We can’t afford to lose any more time. We need to take drastic decisions with determination, especially on the question of costs. Ferrari share the view of FIA that drastic action is required. As I’ve always said, we’re absolutely convinced that teams and the commercial rights holder must work together with the Federation on this front. This isn’t a time to get bogged down with sterile discussions or the meandering opinions of team engineers, who usually are only concerned in defending the shuffling for position of someone else: the question has to be tackled right from the top, without further delay,” said the head of Ferrari. These are hot times for Formula 1, especially as, in the next few weeks, a lot of crucial issued will have to be discussed and ironed out, not least the Concorde Agreement.
Regrets — During a long meeting this morning at Maranello, Montezemolo also made it clear to Stefano Domenicali just what he expects from the team in next few races of the 2012 season. "I’m not used to crying over spilt milk. I much prefer to look forward,” Montezemolo went on. “In Montreal I saw a team with a tremendous desire to win and a team that tried everything possible in a bid to win, perhaps even taking one risk too many. Seeing a Ferrari battling for the lead right down to the finals laps is what I want to see and it’s what our fans want to see. I’m happy with the progress we’ve made over the last few races, and I’m already looking ahead to, and the team is completely focussed on the race in Silverstone, where we have to continue to improve. We have to continue along this path, knowing I have to stress, that our success this season will entirely depend on us and us alone.”

Massa all smiles "F2012 more suited to me now" :
The Brazilian driver: "I’m much more at ease now. The modifications are paying off. Compared to Alonso, I’m going down a different direction." "We’re getting better at warming our tyres quicker and in terms of race line speed"
"I’m much happier now, as I can drive the F2012 the way I like to. I’m much more at ease now with the driving and the balance of the car. And the pace is good." Felipe Massa can’t hide the fact that, finally, something on his Ferrari has finally turned in his favour. After a start to the season that was, to say the least, complicated, the Brazilian driver is finally developing “a feeling” with the F2012. "And, when that happens, everything feels good," Felipe told the Cavallino’s official website.
Set up — "All the modifications and changes we’ve made to the car have helped. But what was also important was the way we worked on the set-up of the car with my engineers: we changed a lot of things in terms of the balance and found a direction that suits me,” Massa said, adding that he’s going down a different direction [when it comes to his set-up and development] than team-mate Fernando Alonso. "I think so, yes. But not completely. We’re certainly working in a different way,” he admitted. “Every driver has his own style, the way he holds the steering wheel, or the way he uses the throttle. If you don’t feel comfortable for whatever reason, that doesn’t help. As with every sport at the highest level, even in Formula 1 it’s important to work on even the very smallest details. When something doesn’t work, it’s easy to go off at a tangent and lose performance, as you can’t give 100%."
Tyres and top line speed — But what has changed compared to the start of the season? "We’ve made a lot of changes since the start of the season, when, yes, we were a long way from where we are now with the car’s development. In the last three races things have started to move in the right direction, as the right level of development has seen a lot of improvement in terms of performance. This season the tyres are much softer compared to last season, but the F2012 struggles to get the tyres up to the optimum temperature quickly enough. But, this weekend, with the two options of tyre available - medium and soft – we shouldn’t have any problems.” Even the top line speed is better: "In Canada we were able to overtake other cars easily, cars that earlier in the season we’ve struggled to overtake, even using DRS. This shows that other teams have changed their approach, but that we’ve improved in that respect too."

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28/06/1984 happy birthday to tamara ecclestone bernie ecclestone's daughter
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Adolfo Schwelm Cruz
(Is driven the GP of Argentina 1953)
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Born : 28th June 1923 - Died : 10th February 2012

Nico Rosberg 27th June 1985
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2012 FORMULA 1 SANTANDER BRITISH GRAND PRIX
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Fri 06 July 2012
Practice 1 10:00 - 11:30
Practice 2 14:00 - 15:30
Sat 07 July 2012
Practice 3 10:00 - 11:00
Qualifying 13:00
Sun 08 July 2012
Race 13:00

25/06/1964 happy birthday to johnny herbert british f1 driver
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Spain and Italy is celebrating! England in mourning! Too many crashes and quits for one race! Because of its adherence to principles of Hamilton could come third! As a result of 0! Michael Schumacher - finally podium! Alonso-house walls help!
Kyke - nice town!

I will post the results of the " Formula 1 "Top 3 + addings Voting" season 2012 " game & " Saturday - Sunday Combined Game Championslist" tomorrow ....because otherwise it will get too late for me ...because it almost take me 2 hours ( if i'm lucky with it all ) to get everything in order and right .....because with my computer problem that i had ( ) i have fallen behind with everything ...i must fill also my files of all the games that have bin playd this weekend ..and i would like too see/enjoy the beautifull nice sexy natural looking beauty " G " also a bit before i go to sleep !!!
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Driver Standings after the European GP 2012 :

1. Fernando Alonso : 111
2. Mark Webber : 91
3. Lewis Hamilton : 88
4. Sebastian Vette :l 85
5. Nico Rosberg : 75
6. Kimi Räikkönen : 73
7. Romain Grosjean : 53
8. Jenson Button : 49
9. Sergio Perez : 39
10. Pastor Maldonado : 29
11. Paul di Resta : 27
12. Kamui Kobayashi : 21
13. Michael Schumacher : 17
14. Nico Hülkenberg : 17
15. Bruno Senna : 16
16. Felipe Massa : 11
17. Jean-Eric Vergne : 4
18. Daniel Ricciardo : 2
19. Heikki Kovalainen : 0
20. Vitaly Petrov : 0
21. Timo Glock : 0
22. Charles Pic : 0
23. Narain Karthikeyan : 0
24. Pedro de la Rosa : 0

Constructor Standings after the European GP 2012 :

1. Red Bull Racing : 176
2. Vodafone McLaren Mercedes : 137
3. Lotus F1 Team : 126
4. Scuderia Ferrari : 122
5. Mercedes AMG Petronas : 92
6. Sauber F1 Team : 60
7. Williams F1 Team : 45
8. Sahara Force India : 44
9. Scuderia Toro Rosso : 6
10. Caterham F1 Team : 0
11. Marussia Racing : 0
12. HRT F1 Team : 0


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Shaky-Schumi

(Have just my computer back )
Here is the official result of todays race :

1. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari : 1:44:16.649
2. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus : + 6.421
3. Michael Schumacher : Mercedes GP : + 12.639
4. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing : + 13.628
5. Nico Hulkenberg : Force India : + 19.993
6. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP : 1:42.163 + 21.176
7. Paul di Resta : Force India : + 22.886
8. Jenson Button : McLaren : + 24.653
9. Sergio Perez : Sauber : + 27.777
10. Pastor Maldonado : Williams : + 34.630
11. Bruno Senna : Williams : + 35.900
12. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso : + 37.041
13. Vitaly Petrov : Caterham : + 1:15.871
14. Heikki Kovalainen : Caterham : + 1:34.654
15. Charles Pic : Marussia F1 Team : + 1:36.565
16. Felipe Massa : Ferrari 0:00.000 + 1 lap
17. Pedro de la Rosa : HRT F1 Team : + 1 lap
18. Narain Karthikeyan : HRT F1 Team : + 1 lap
Did Not Finish :
19. Lewis Hamilton : McLaren : crash
20. Romain Grosjean : Lotus : technical problem
21. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing : technical problem
22. Kamui Kobayashi : Sauber 0:00.000 : not yet known
23. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso : crash

Fastest Lap : Nico Rosberg
Pitstop Nico Hulkenberg : 2
D.S.L : 15

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7 years earlier:

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Now its oficial: Schumi keep the 3. Place!

2012 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE

Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 57 1:44:16.649 11 25
2 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 57 +6.4 secs 5 18
3 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 57 +12.6 secs 12 15
4 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 57 +13.6 secs 19 12
5 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 57 +19.9 secs 8 10
6 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 57 +21.1 secs 6 8
7 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 57 +22.8 secs 10 6
8 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 57 +24.6 secs 9 4
9 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 57 +27.7 secs 15 2
10 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 57 +35.9 secs 14 1
11 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 57 +37.0 secs 17
12 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 57 +54.6 secs 3
13 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 57 +75.8 secs 20
14 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 57 +94.6 secs 16
15 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 57 +96.5 secs 23
16 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 56 +1 Lap 13
17 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 56 +1 Lap 21
18 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 56 +1 Lap 22
19 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 55 Accident 2
Ret 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 40 +17 Laps 4
Ret 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 33 +24 Laps 1
Ret 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 33 Accident damage 7
Ret 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 26 Accident damage 18
DNS 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth DNS
Note - Glock did not take part due to a stomach bug. Maldonado originally finished 10th, but had 20s added to his race time for causing a collision