Eurotic TV - General Discussion

luca82 wrote:This is the conclusion depending on yuor point of view.

Sorry, I can't follow your conclusions, and I don't find my point of view therein.

The moving pictures shown on the screen are partly advertising, in order to attract customers, partly a part of the delivered service, and it really doesn't matter if it involves nudity or not. This is irrelevant. My point is that ETV is nothing special - just an ordinary call center offering a special product called "erotic". And customers shouldn't expect more from it than from any other call center.

Whether the advertising is successful, and whether the delivered service is appropriate with respect to the request, is another story. But even in this respect, ETV is no different from any other call center.

arimolac wrote:

luca82 wrote:but it's necessary most seriousness (when the customer pay money for a request) to satisfy in the better way the request: no camera change after one second, more close up on the part which is object in the request, no model 'shy' (at least in the appareance)*...

Well, never forget that ETV basically is just a call center, so the same that applies to any other call center applies to ETV as well: There's no guarantee that your request is honored adequately.

Actually, I've already been hanging around in the queue of a call center of my mobile phone or internet providers for 20 minutes or more, listening to unpleasant music in real bad sound quality, and watching the money clock ticking - and in the end getting some incompetent person on the line who didn't solve my problem. That's every day call center reality, and ETV probably isn't an exception in this respect. So if you call a model, and she doesn't honor your requests, it's bad luck, and you should call another model, or stop calling altogether. You can complain at ETV, but it probably won't help much, just like it usually doesn't help at other call centers.

Regarding VIP SMS, you are promised that the SMS will be shown three times in the chat zone, and once on a plasma screen in the studio, and this works most of the time. If a potential request contained in the SMS is honored adequately is another story, and in this case, the same applies as stated above with the calls. In my opinion, ETV really tries hard to honor all requests, but sometimes they fail. This is partly due to the kinds of requests, partly due to occasional incompetence of the staff. Once again, you can complain, but probably to no avail.

Bottom line: If you're annoyed by the services ETV offers, stop using them. Otherwise, use them as is. Complain, if you want, but don't expect any change from that.

-if it is only a call center or a talk show, why there isn't need of nudity
-insead the nudity is showed, therefore it means that Mr Fressel gain money using girl like bait through actions which aren't specified in the license.
-therefore it's a fraud

This is the conclusion depending on yuor point of view.

luca82 wrote:but it's necessary most seriousness (when the customer pay money for a request) to satisfy in the better way the request: no camera change after one second, more close up on the part which is object in the request, no model 'shy' (at least in the appareance)*...

Well, never forget that ETV basically is just a call center, so the same that applies to any other call center applies to ETV as well: There's no guarantee that your request is honored adequately.

Actually, I've already been hanging around in the queue of a call center of my mobile phone or internet providers for 20 minutes or more, listening to unpleasant music in real bad sound quality, and watching the money clock ticking - and in the end getting some incompetent person on the line who didn't solve my problem. That's every day call center reality, and ETV probably isn't an exception in this respect. So if you call a model, and she doesn't honor your requests, it's bad luck, and you should call another model, or stop calling altogether. You can complain at ETV, but it probably won't help much, just like it usually doesn't help at other call centers.

Regarding VIP SMS, you are promised that the SMS will be shown three times in the chat zone, and once on a plasma screen in the studio, and this works most of the time. If a potential request contained in the SMS is honored adequately is another story, and in this case, the same applies as stated above with the calls. In my opinion, ETV really tries hard to honor all requests, but sometimes they fail. This is partly due to the kinds of requests, partly due to occasional incompetence of the staff. Once again, you can complain, but probably to no avail.

Bottom line: If you're annoyed by the services ETV offers, stop using them. Otherwise, use them as is. Complain, if you want, but don't expect any change from that.

I can be agree with the point of view of HvB: 'there are various combination model/director, model/customers...which influence the level of the show'; but:

I want only to say that the strategy of teasing is right to attract customers; but it's necessary most seriousness (when the customer pay money for a request) to satisfy in the better way the request: no camera change after one second, more close up on the part which is object in the request, no model 'shy' (at least in the appareance)*...

*You have make the example of Angelina, she (and not only) is a perfect examples of suitable girl for the nightshow. The others if there are available to do an hot show can choose not to be in the nightshow.
You can say: 'they are only in substitution of another girl'. In this case I can repeat they are in a place of job. Even if you are a substitute, you must be the better job (show in this case) to respect the customers who spend money.


-about the PPV:
At the beginning the gain is represented by the subscription of the customers but the problem is how to gain money in the long period and the question is:
who will spend money (apart those of the subscription) in the requests if the customer is sure to see an hot show? (this is the principal problem of the liveshow in ppv)

For me the strategy of teasing in still the better way, but...I repeat more respect for the customers.

jonas wrote:"Robert the water rat" sometimes is quite useful. If the models made their nylons wet, after that they must take them off!!!

Unfortunatly only in the locker room.

arimolac wrote:And some moderators and even some models (e.g. Sandra) explicitly invite fetishists like "Robert the water rat" to place more VIP requests.

"Robert the water rat" sometimes is quite useful. If the models made their nylons wet, after that they must take them off!!!

Siegfried wrote:It is necessary to differentiate between those who want to watch and are willing to pay for a show, and those who want to call in and send messages. There are plenty of both I guess again.

Exactly. And I guess those two sets of potential customers are disjoint or at least don't share many common members. Regarding myself, I'm a member of the "call & message" customer set, and I'm not interested at all in subscribing to an erotic or pornographic TV channel.

Siegfried wrote:Either way if its true that there is no written code as to what ETV can and can't do FTA then there never will be a hot show to please the voyeur. They will be too scared of the censor and perhaps, if they choose to remain only FTA that is right and proper.

HvB already has explained in much detail what is written down in the legislation, and what is interpretation of those written words. In fact, the legislation doesn't contain any details as to which erotic or pornographic action must not be shown on FTA or Pay TV. It just writes generally about things that might "affect" the psycho-sexual development of minors. The interpretation and assessment of what affects it or not is left to some varied board of people, who are elected to watch over the program quality. And just as diverse as the opinion of those people might be, their measures will turn out, and there's not much room left to refute them.

So an explicit pornographic program might be aired for years without getting noticed, or some simple erotic interaction might be raised to a scandal. It's not predictable. In the case of ETV, some program elements caught the attention of the assessment board, and that's why ETV is in trouble now - while other TV programs and music clip producers are still happily doing whatever they like, because nobody complained about them so far.

Look I just want to clarify something.

I have not said close down ETV or alter it in any way. I have suggested an encrypted hot show by way of ETV2 just at night.

That way the channel's current income and format is preserved.

The encrypted show (ETV2) can be funded by subscriber and advertising & sponsor. Also why will subscribers not want to call in or VIP text?

Have you seen the plethora of UK adult live shows (FTA) ?
Does anybody think the calls would stop if they were allowed nudity ?
But there are pay per night hard show versions on another transponder, same girls, same cameras, same studio (I'm guessing).

It is necessary to differentiate between those who want to watch and are willing to pay for a show, and those who want to call in and send messages. There are plenty of both I guess again.

At the risk of overdoing the example, I mention Diva F again because they had FTA nostradamus and encrypted Diva Futura hard. The idea was sound but they treat their subscribers to absolute shit quality of picture that was unwatchable. I don't know why it all went bad. Maybe Mr HvB is right and there is no demand. Maybe I'm in a minority of a few dozen out of millions of europeans.

Either way if its true that there is no written code as to what ETV can and can't do FTA then there never will be a hot show to please the voyeur. They will be too scared of the censor and perhaps, if they choose to remain only FTA that is right and proper.

jonas wrote:Sometimes you can see that the models are not very "amused" about these instructions, they loose their good mood which they had at the beginning of the show.

I think their mood is not so much affected by the instructions - but more by the lack of callers, which means less money.

jonas wrote:The result of these instructions is that the daytime shows are dominated by the nylon and feet fetishists. For other viewers these shows are no longer attractive.

Yes, in fact, I'm observing a shift to fetish requests in the daytime shows, too. And some moderators and even some models (e.g. Sandra) explicitly invite fetishists like "Robert the water rat" to place more VIP requests. I don't like this trend, but well, what should ETV do, if the market develops this way? On the other hand, I think there's still a big market of "dedicated model fans", who call in and send VIPs in favor of one or more selected models. Some models seem to be continuously busy with calls and answering VIP SMS throughout any daytime show.

All that is discussed in the last posts is much more important in the daytime shows with the so called "new rules". I have the impression that especially the show directors have very different opinions, which outfit of the models is allowed during daytime and which is not allowed. Often in the last daytime shows I saw models like Sabrina and Sandra appearing at the beginning of the show in hot pants or short mini skirts, showing their beautiful naked legs, but after 1-2 hours they were dressed with panty hoses, long stockings and long pants for the rest of the show. So I suppose that the directors - who are afraid of the bosses of ETV (some of them are real scaredy-cats!) - instruct the models to wear less sexy clothes. Sometimes you can see that the models are not very "amused" about these instructions, they loose their good mood which they had at the beginning of the show.
The result of these instructions is that the daytime shows are dominated by the nylon and feet fetishists. For other viewers these shows are no longer attractive.

If the object of direction is destroy the show

I must admit : bravo! bravo! bravo! every day more bravo

HvB wrote:Same with the models. They have (depending on the director) great freedom in interpreting the job. And with their direct contact to the customer, they are exposed to all kind of callers. And if the first couple of callers are drunken bastards that tread you like shit, the night is done. If it are nice callers that show some respect and that are entertaining, all is possible.

HvB, thanks for pointing this out, and for all the other arguments as well. I completely agree with you. Seems you are the only one in this discussion who argues on founded knowledge, rather than on personal fantasy.

Regarding the argument of changing ETV to an encrypted channel, I think this would become an economical disaster, because it simply isn't possible to keep the current format of the channel when it's encrypted. The entire format would have to be turned upside down, and it would be effectively like starting a new channel from scratch.

Currently, ETV is a call center, which invites callers and SMS writers with an unencrypted teasing show. Who should call in when the channel is encrypted? Only subscribers would do that, because the others wouldn't know whom to call, and for what. And which subscriber would be willing to spend money on the phone, when he's already paying a subscription fee? So the call center concept wouldn't work anymore, and ETV would lose all of it's current customer base, and would need to build up a completely new one from scratch.

So a wise management decision would be to carry on with the current program format as long as it pays off, and as long es it's legally possible. Forget about ETV encryption. It would be economical suicide.

For the nightshows there is only a very basic set of rules and don't expect them to be very concrete. More of a don't overdo it while most of it is left to the interpretation of the directors. They meet regularly to find a common view on this set of rules and to find a basic line all should follow, but in principle they have much freedom in their interpretation. Some of them even have a very unique style, so you see very fast who is directing the show. Some decide every little detail and constantly order what should be done next and how it should be done, some only give some basic orders, if at all. The direction is as different as the people doing that job. Same with the models. They have (depending on the director) great freedom in interpreting the job. And with their direct contact to the customer, they are exposed to all kind of callers. And if the first couple of callers are drunken bastards that tread you like shit, the night is done. If it are nice callers that show some respect and that are entertaining, all is possible. There is also a chemistry between the models, that may work or not. We all know that some model combinations just don't work, while other combinations are usually delivering a good show. Same with the model-director combination. Some combinations are poised to fail. Others are fun to watch and sume build up a lot of tension, which are entertaining for the viewer, but challanging for the participants. Now the cameramen ... sometimes you can clearly see that they know very well what move is comming next and they are eager to show it in a way which avoids position or details the model may find unpleasant or which the camera guy wouldn't like to be shown on tv.
In general you expect too much orders and planning. There isn't much of both in most cases. A lot is dependent on the moment and on the moods. So the big question asked every show is: will it work out today? And it's good that way. But it needs models like Angelina, that take responsibility, that are willing to carry a show, that don't mind making others look good, that take others by the hand and lead them through the show, that stand up and involve other models whenthe show comes to a hold. And as good as some models are when doing their individual shows, it's the qualities described before that carry the show as a whole. It's just like football (soccer). A single star may have some moments, but won't win the game. It's the teamplay that makes a winning team. And if the director (trainer) is giving the right directions, all is fine.

HvB wrote:Depends on the director (what he or she thinks is allowed), the mood of the models, the callers, the VIPs, ... If all goes fine, we see a good show. Sometimes it just doesn't work.

Yes, there are various factors but:

- the director can speak with the management and viceversa, therefore I think he/she know what is allowed or less.

- mood of the models...they are in a place of job, they must do the better possible show. Obviously they are free to choice them level* (soft or hot) but:
if they are soft (totally dressed) but anyway are in the nightshow: this is teasing (model's choice or director's choice or management's choice, in every case for the viewer the result the same: teasing)
if they are hot (more naked) but cover them nudity:this is teasing (model's choice or director's choice or management's choice, in every case for the viewer the result is the same: teasing)

*the level of the model it's them personal choice, but not always they have the permission to show it. More the model is hot and more the director can choice to tease through his/her job: camera change after one second of hot nudity, no close up during an hot position, wrong (for us) angolation of the camera...

- the callers and the Vips: they will make them request depending on them taste, but in every case the staff must be ready to satisfy it.
The show will be a topless show...the important is the satisfaction of the customer.
The show will be a pussy show...the important is the satisfaction of the customer.
The show will be a feticist show...the important is the satisfaction of the customer.
...

In the end, just to do a summary, is the strategy of teasing right or wrong?
It's right when is used to attract the customers's requests.
It's wrong when it doesn't satisfy the customers's requests.

Watcher wrote:So, to sum up ...


... maybe some of the models don't want to work under the new format ...

ok , What about camera shake, which makes my brain shaking with it. That do not never stop

Watcher wrote:But then ... people will come along and want to see 'Hot' shows ... round we go again ... .

if everybody will be happy ,so why, i can confirm you will not be