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Mr White wrote:Issue is very simple, they destroy all expectations created with the WEB Project, due to attitude of some models and management towards Customers.
Seems very difficult to get the confidence back, unless they totally change the actual ELS and PREMIUM Shows.
Maybe going back to initial idea with shows as the ones Performed by Amy are the only chance.

But where will you find a model like Amy and Scarlet who act like them?

I see only Izabella and Milla in this class but with the stupid self censorship you will not see shows like from Amy again...

Chris26 wrote:

15102004 wrote:I have no problems if Slow or anyone buys an hour or the whole girl, i simply have a different point of view, it's simply my feeling. I'd not able to speak with a girl knowing that she is there only because i paid, and i guess it's a bit different if i call her during the regular turn. no matter what the show is.

This is exactly my point of view as well.
And I'd like to add, ETV started to die when they gave to viewers and callers the possibility of making presents and sending messages directly to the girls.
Of course, this is all still filtered by ETV, who get most of the gain.

There is a line to be drawn between entertainment and pure obsession/necessity, which is what many callers are expressing toward girls working (I'll write it again, in bold this time: working) at ETV.
As long as a caller calls to ask for a show, or he sends a message asking for a show, regardless of the show per se (even balloon requests are OK with this reasoning, albeit horrendously funny), we are still within the realm of entertainment.

But it is when ETV actually gives the chance to interfere with the girls' private lives that things start to get unacceptable.
Making presents (among the most costly ones: dresses, necklaces, ect.), being able to contact them directly with messages, ect. goes well beyond the idea of considering this channel a source of entertainment. It is not a way of "complimenting" a girl, it is something far worse.
Also, and this is something very important, all the noble and pompous speeches often written here as well about respect for their privacy and lives and job crumble like a house of cards when these girls are the first to allow such behaviour, selling their birthday photos, and doing all the things which are unspeakable here but nearly everybody knows about, by now.

The reserved shows are just the icing of the cake. Very soon (alas), they will find a way to offer full private shows to customers who are willing to pay (and as there are customers ready to spend thousands of euros, they will find them).
And when that happens, next time a girl starts crying because of the insults viewers and callers tell her, maybe she should take a look at the mirror and think for a while.

And that's the bottom line.

only one thing
i can't see the exclusive premium or others kind of shows etv offer on the web but here i can read only complaints
ok right because there are guy pay for see the webshow but ask yourself one thing...why etv offer this kind of show? maybe for etv is good so
....but this thing is bigger than me i'm not a businnes man

Issue is very simple, they destroy all expectations created with the WEB Project, due to attitude of some models and management towards Customers.
Seems very difficult to get the confidence back, unless they totally change the actual ELS and PREMIUM Shows.
Maybe going back to initial idea with shows as the ones Performed by Amy are the only chance.

Today ELS is fantastic:thumbdown
At the beginning Roshana doing nothing but talking for an hour and now Sabrina for two hours sitting bored, you can see an empty chair time, and less than five mminut show that the force can be called warm.
Just great day on the website.

I would like to add something: this shows should be called reserved conversation, never reserved exclusive show, because there isn´t a show. People is free to do whatever they want with their money, of course, and i respect it, but i think when someone buy or not a show, is doing something more important than a personal chance..when someone buy or not buy a show is telling what kind of channel and ETV wants, because paying or not, is contributing to the success or the failure of the format, and that is the only way (forget writing them, likely they even read your message) customers can configure what ETV offers.

Now it seems they get a little Payback, no calls or messages for Mia in the ELS and Sabrina didnt get much of them.

Keep it on guys, Rome wasnt build in a Day, but it is a beginning.

Chris26 wrote:

15102004 wrote:I have no problems if Slow or anyone buys an hour or the whole girl, i simply have a different point of view, it's simply my feeling. I'd not able to speak with a girl knowing that she is there only because i paid, and i guess it's a bit different if i call her during the regular turn. no matter what the show is.

This is exactly my point of view as well.
And I'd like to add, ETV started to die when they gave to viewers and callers the possibility of making presents and sending messages directly to the girls.
Of course, this is all still filtered by ETV, who get most of the gain.

There is a line to be drawn between entertainment and pure obsession/necessity, which is what many callers are expressing toward girls working (I'll write it again, in bold this time: working) at ETV.
As long as a caller calls to ask for a show, or he sends a message asking for a show, regardless of the show per se (even balloon requests are OK with this reasoning, albeit horrendously funny), we are still within the realm of entertainment.

But it is when ETV actually gives the chance to interfere with the girls' private lives that things start to get unacceptable.
Making presents (among the most costly ones: dresses, necklaces, ect.), being able to contact them directly with messages, ect. goes well beyond the idea of considering this channel a source of entertainment. It is not a way of "complimenting" a girl, it is something far worse.
Also, and this is something very important, all the noble and pompous speeches often written here as well about respect for their privacy and lives and job crumble like a house of cards when these girls are the first to allow such behaviour, selling their birthday photos, and doing all the things which are unspeakable here but nearly everybody knows about, by now.

The reserved shows are just the icing of the cake. Very soon (alas), they will find a way to offer full private shows to customers who are willing to pay (and as there are customers ready to spend thousands of euros, they will find them).
And when that happens, next time a girl starts crying because of the insults viewers and callers tell her, maybe she should take a look at the mirror and think for a while.

HI! In fact Chris26 not know if it already does not happen. After all, just replace the SKYPE address and resolved the matter. But there is no evidence, so let's leave it in the area of conjecture.

@Chris:

in my country some people would say to you : olé!!

15102004 wrote:I have no problems if Slow or anyone buys an hour or the whole girl, i simply have a different point of view, it's simply my feeling. I'd not able to speak with a girl knowing that she is there only because i paid, and i guess it's a bit different if i call her during the regular turn. no matter what the show is.

This is exactly my point of view as well.
And I'd like to add, ETV started to die when they gave to viewers and callers the possibility of making presents and sending messages directly to the girls.
Of course, this is all still filtered by ETV, who get most of the gain.

There is a line to be drawn between entertainment and pure obsession/necessity, which is what many callers are expressing toward girls working (I'll write it again, in bold this time: working) at ETV.
As long as a caller calls to ask for a show, or he sends a message asking for a show, regardless of the show per se (even balloon requests are OK with this reasoning, albeit horrendously funny), we are still within the realm of entertainment.

But it is when ETV actually gives the chance to interfere with the girls' private lives that things start to get unacceptable.
Making presents (among the most costly ones: dresses, necklaces, ect.), being able to contact them directly with messages, ect. goes well beyond the idea of considering this channel a source of entertainment. It is not a way of "complimenting" a girl, it is something far worse.
Also, and this is something very important, all the noble and pompous speeches often written here as well about respect for their privacy and lives and job crumble like a house of cards when these girls are the first to allow such behaviour, selling their birthday photos, and doing all the things which are unspeakable here but nearly everybody knows about, by now.

The reserved shows are just the icing of the cake. Very soon (alas), they will find a way to offer full private shows to customers who are willing to pay (and as there are customers ready to spend thousands of euros, they will find them).
And when that happens, next time a girl starts crying because of the insults viewers and callers tell her, maybe she should take a look at the mirror and think for a while.

CommanderData wrote:ELS is simply not the right name anymore, it is no show anymore at all.

They should rename it to ELC = exclusive live chat

So you can be sure what you can still expect, or not expect anymore.

Definitely they dont offer what I want at all., so I made my decision a few weeks ago not to buy credits anymore. Complains dont work, not here but also not at etvshow.com. Maybe some of the few big spenders who really give shitloads of money to them are lucky to be heard by them if they dont like something, but they give a f..k about the complains of the big majority of members who dont want to or cannot pay hundreds or thousands euros every month for an illusion over there in molvania, and thats a fact!

Have a nice day!

Data

Hi Data!
From what you and many other members write I understand that webshows are very disappointing.
If so, there's nothing strange in what webshows offer.
Current ETV's strategist(s) spent several years here, studying what standard people appreciate and studying how to make the maximum profit, offering only "imagination" in return.
For this reason all that standard people like has been banned from the shows, at the beginning from the sat, in order to promote the webshows, then from the free webshows, in order to create a large group of customers, who pay in advance, with the hope that one day they will see something "special".
In a certain way this hope reminds me of this book:
[Versteckter Link - Registrierung notwendig]

Everyone has to be be free to do what he/she wants with his/her money, but we also must know that who pays for this "philosophy" gives a contribution to the death of the former ETV.
The reason is simple: money received for webshows are not invested for the sat and models' shows are expressly tamed down to a chat level.

I have no problems if Slow or anyone buys an hour or the whole girl, i simply have a different point of view, it's simply my feeling. I'd not able to speak with a girl knowing that she is there only because i paid, and i guess it's a bit different if i call her during the regular turn. no matter what the show is.

Slowfox wrote:maybe they change the system again, for those who expect an internet strip show for free.

or are you just angry that this system blocks your voyeuristic desire ?

.

slow

Very strange message. I was thought that many people send them messages, and call them in ELS so spend money for them. I see complains for this people here who dont want anything for free, but they dont take nothing for their money

CommanderData wrote:ELS is simply not the right name anymore, it is no show anymore at all.

They should rename it to ELC = exclusive live chat

So you can be sure what you can still expect, or not expect anymore.

Definitely they dont offer what I want at all., so I made my decision a few weeks ago not to buy credits anymore. Complains dont work, not here but also not at etvshow.com. Maybe some of the few big spenders who really give shitloads of money to them are lucky to be heard by them if they dont like something, but they give a f..k about the complains of the big majority of members who dont want to or cannot pay hundreds or thousands euros every month for an illusion over there in molvania, and thats a fact!

Have a nice day!

Data

D'accord with with everything you wrote.
In my opinion some of the Premium Hours (especially the solos), disregard the mostly awful stream quality, came pretty close to what I want to see on an erotic web show,
but now they cut those Premium Hours down to two 2-model-shows this week, so there's not much of interest left for me.

So I'll spend exactly 4 credits this week for
20:00 CET - Sabrina and Ava - Premium Hour
and then..........................who knows, maybe next week they'll come up with new "experiments".
Wait and see....

HI! I wonder if they are the only people who send her a message. Because then it's a complete waste of money, it is known that it will be ignored.
And if SLOW (I have a feeling that he) wants to talk to her after all this is a free way of his money, his time, and can do with it what he wants.