Last night's show

shagshaggy wrote:Penelope said today that this is the first time more viewers watched etvshow.com versus the tv show. anyone calling can ask her about that.

Is it becouse the web audience has increased or just becouse the continuous bleeding of FTA customers led finally to the breakeven point?

meteorix wrote:Tux.friend wrote: “etv makes money with the tvshows and I think that they make more money with the 'free' shows than with selling videos and/or exclusives.” 
I don't think so. In my opinion most of the income of ETV at present comes from videos. ...

I have some reasons that leads me to think just the opposite: ETV is being giving for free packages of 5/10 videos (to chose from the gallery) over and over again as promotion to a lot of members. Why to offer so many of them for free and so many times when there are so "many" buyings? why to offering them for free? maybe because they need to promote them?

Maybe, sometimes, exclusives income is above tv income, and , if i am honest...

shagshaggy wrote:Penelope said today that this is the first time more viewers watched etvshow.com versus the tv show. anyone calling can ask her about that.

with models so boring like her in the shows doing nothing in fta, yes, i can believe that. They can be happy if that it´s true (hard to believe from a channel where lie is so instituted as the self-indulgence), they are working hard, long time ago, in order to destroy and trample the night shows.

lucifer70 wrote:...
"50% more credits ....."
This is the proof that web is a failure .......

Well, you can use credits also for calls and SMS.
And last year around their birthday they had even higher rebates, anyway ETV still exists, the Webshows still exist and the complainers still exist

Regards
Joker

JBGOOD wrote:

meteorix wrote:... wrote: “etv makes money with the tvshows and I think that they make more money with the 'free' shows than with selling videos and/or exclusives.” 
I don't think so. In my opinion most of the income of ETV at present comes from videos.
There are 4 good reasons which lead me to think this:
....

Interesting Analysis! So the ETV web part can support itself. It is time they shut down the FTA , Mr Palmov has not yet realize it!
You, fans of new ETV age, should convince them to take the final, fatal, step. Hurry up !

ah, ah, ah, ah ...... If they close the show on the sat, the next day, they end up on the streets .....
"50% more credits ....."
This is the proof that web is a failure .......

meteorix wrote:... wrote: “etv makes money with the tvshows and I think that they make more money with the 'free' shows than with selling videos and/or exclusives.” 
I don't think so. In my opinion most of the income of ETV at present comes from videos.
There are 4 good reasons which lead me to think this:
....

Interesting Analysis! So the ETV web part can support itself. It is time they shut down the FTA , Mr Palmov has not yet realize it!
You, fans of new ETV age, should convince them to take the final, fatal, step. Hurry up !

meteorix wrote:Tux.friend wrote: “etv makes money with the tvshows and I think that they make more money with the 'free' shows than with selling videos and/or exclusives.” 
I don't think so. In my opinion most of the income of ETV at present comes from videos.
There are 4 good reasons which lead me to think this:
1) videos can be acquired freely at any time by working people, while live broadcasts, pay or not, may be watched only by people who are not working. For example I can't see ETV during the day because i work and even during the night because I have to go to bed at midnight if I want to be efficient on the job the next day. The working people, who are the majority, can only see ETV on Friday or Saturday , but in those days usually has better things to do.
2) videos provide income even after months or years after they were produced , the phone call or the message only on the day they were made
3) videos put out of business all the normal demands of the viewers. If I am a normal person (not a lover, not a fetishist ) , why should I spend 4 credits to request a strip that will be fulfilled, if it will be fulfilled , with a three minutes show totally improvised when the same amount can buy an " Exclusive wish for free" where girls are naked and very hot for four hours ?
4) videos allow you to see nude girls who do not take off their clothes on the SAT . I'm sorry for those that do not buy the video of Jeit Isadora Tallona and Trixie because I assure you that these girls, nude, are extraordinary.
After all It say nothing to you the fact that they're putting up for sale thousands of videos?

Penelope said today that this is the first time more viewers watched etvshow.com versus the tv show. anyone calling can ask her about that.

Tux.friend wrote: “etv makes money with the tvshows and I think that they make more money with the 'free' shows than with selling videos and/or exclusives.” 
I don't think so. In my opinion most of the income of ETV at present comes from videos.
There are 4 good reasons which lead me to think this:
1) videos can be acquired freely at any time by working people, while live broadcasts, pay or not, may be watched only by people who are not working. For example I can't see ETV during the day because i work and even during the night because I have to go to bed at midnight if I want to be efficient on the job the next day. The working people, who are the majority, can only see ETV on Friday or Saturday , but in those days usually has better things to do.
2) videos provide income even after months or years after they were produced , the phone call or the message only on the day they were made
3) videos put out of business all the normal demands of the viewers. If I am a normal person (not a lover, not a fetishist ) , why should I spend 4 credits to request a strip that will be fulfilled, if it will be fulfilled , with a three minutes show totally improvised when the same amount can buy an " Exclusive wish for free" where girls are naked and very hot for four hours ?
4) videos allow you to see nude girls who do not take off their clothes on the SAT . I'm sorry for those that do not buy the video of Jeit Isadora Tallona and Trixie because I assure you that these girls, nude, are extraordinary.
After all It say nothing to you the fact that they're putting up for sale thousands of videos?

It's difficult to explain to kenny what' s the right attitude to value a night show as kenny is a new comer, he knows nothing about eurotic tv start 11 years ago and all the history of this channel. Kenny is a porn web site surfer considering etv as a potential porn web site not as a eurotic tv channel. Therefore i'm quite doubtful there is any chance of an interesting discussion with him able to give a plus to this forum

kennyboy2012 wrote:... where do ETV find new callers, from the web of course, the same place that the freeloaders lurk and post crap on forums ...

You think that is the truth, but its only simple mathmatics. How many channels are on a satellite and how many web sites on the net? If you never heard about etv where will you search, what would you ask google?

To find it on tv it is 1 of hundrets, to find it in the internet it is 1 of millions. Etv pays all the money for the tv, because that is from the beginning on the marketing channel to find new customers, or had you ever saw an advertising from etv on any web site? I think, etv bosses dont think about marketing or give extra money for marketing. All the years new customer find the channel (on TV), why thinking about marketing.

And etv makes money with the tvshows and I think that they make more money with the 'free' shows than with selling videos and/or exclusives. Or did you think that someone send this search sms/vips to an encrypted tv channel or a closed internet show? The same is with the callers. For me etv make the most money with the callers, than with all this search messsages and than with the show wishes and ex/video. If ex would give an higher income than others, etv would produce more exclusives, because someone in etv pushes the internet, but he/she found no reason (money) to push ex more. Unfortunately (for the etv bosses) ex are to expensive. Within the ex they lost callers and they had to pay for extra staff. I think etv makes enought money with ex to pay all this extras, but not to make a big profit. The profit is from the callers and all this search messages around the day and this is bounded to the free shows.

Over the years there are a lot of tries to make the free tv unattractive to push the channel in a direction the etv bosses like, but after a while they turn back to 'normal' shows, to shows that the viewers want. Why? They lost money with all this tries. Now it is the same procedure.

stegiato wrote:Last night on tv :
Marla was she there?
Saya red carpet scene and???
Kristina as always she performs as much as she can
Tara who???
Sidra tried to do but suddenly blocked
Danna 1 scene of strip.

3 /4 normal scenes in all a NS, oh my god this is the worst period ever of etv, and if we also add that Exclusives are also softer than Tv NS of some months ago, we can clearly say etv is no more an erotic channel but only entertainment, all we miss after Wrestling is a quiz show (clearly in ppv)...

must admit, last night was pants. I was bored, I put in one request quite early, didn't get it, but wasn't that bothered. I like Saiqa, she does try, she's not my number one, but she does make the effort and she does deliver the goods, Marla, I still have a liking for her, but I wish she'd take that extra step, Tara, I think I've given up on, Kristina, yup, she delivers, Sidra, those tattoos really don't help.

so yup, last night was a also ran, for me

News eurotic TV Sidran pussy was visible for about 10 seconds, no one is shocked
nor offended!

Last night on tv :
Marla was she there?
Saya red carpet scene and???
Kristina as always she performs as much as she can
Tara who???
Sidra tried to do but suddenly blocked
Danna 1 scene of strip.

3 /4 normal scenes in all a NS, oh my god this is the worst period ever of etv, and if we also add that Exclusives are also softer than Tv NS of some months ago, we can clearly say etv is no more an erotic channel but only entertainment, all we miss after Wrestling is a quiz show (clearly in ppv)...

kennyboy2012 wrote:

15102004 wrote:Fortunately at ETV there is still someone who thinks that money can't buy everything.

Another time i want to say to mr WK aka Kennyboy that there are so many guys that also pay for TV show calling and sending messages to the girl, and with great probability, are such persons to keep etv-web alive.
If i'm calling a girl in TV, is not my fault if "freeloaders" are watching. And before i'm a caller, i was one of them, so they are not a problem for ETV but a resource. Where ETV should find new customers? Door to door?

Have you never asked why ETV continues to pay satellite fee, and all the other charges that a tv channel needs if their web project is so remunerative?

Are you one of the ones calling, or are you just trying to add justification through association?
a freeloader is someone that has no intentions of ever paying, he or she just wants to get something for nothing, without any valid or useful contribution to the supplier. So therefore, if ( and you don't say you are, but IF) you're a caller, then you are not a freeloader, and a caller would probably not mind paying maybe 1mins credit extra to see a girl on the other studio.
where do ETV find new callers, from the web of course, the same place that the freeloaders lurk and post crap on forums

ETV pay satellite fees because not everyone has internet at a good enough speeds, and TV is still a great medium to use for many. If you notice, ETV are keen to move a lot more to internet-based, but it takes time. They have a lot that are now moving to internet based TV as well as the web site.

door to door ETV, well if they send the girls round, then I reckon it would be quite successful lol

have a nice day

thx for (mostly) ignoring his post.
you should read his post as the post of a customer and also several posts of other forum members (sorry but the idea of a proof with excluding everything that could made problems isn't working here).
so you will have to accept that many of the fta customers seem to have a problem with stealing an fta model to a webshow especially when an extra webshow is available with extra webshow models.
so the question isn't why some viewers (customers or not) mind this stealing. the question is why you cannot accept the schedules of fta and webshows and why is your personal egoism the only accepted rule?
you prefer the webshows thus accept the webshow schedule and rules. and if your prefered model is in the fta show you should accept the fta show schedule and rules.
your previous posted theory (see below) is only working when you are the only customer in the store. did you ask any of the other customers in the fta show if it's ok to steal Destiny? no you didn't.
you ask others to accept you kennyism but you have problems to accept the other opinions and call other opinions with words like freeloaders, lurk and crap.
what a surprise that you don't get so much understanding.

and about the argument "it was shown thus it must be ok" ... .... (rofl)
sorry but after a few etv shows you know that etv shows every rubbish on the screens and thinks never about the consequences.
we have seen insults towards the models, we have seen Nazi shit on the screen, so why not stealing a model to another show?

kennyboy2012 wrote:Yes, I am happy paying credits for this kind of erotic channel, thank you for the go ahead

as for right of behaviour, is it right that an event is dictated by those that have no part in it?
Actually, the fact that I pay, does make me free to do such things. Going back to the analogy of the shop. If you want to stand outside of a shop, refusing to enter and pay anything, then you cant complain if a customer actually goes in and asks for a deal on an item on sale, that's a bit different to normal. Why not ask if she will move over for a short while, its certainly not at the expense of those watching, who have paid nothing to watch, it not like they have paid to watch the free show, is it?
This is what amuses me about some that post on this forum: they insist that ETV should do this or that, or that they should change something or that paying customers should ask or not ask for certain things. The requests that are sent in, are vetted by ETV, so if it was wrong or inappropriate, then it wouldn't be seen, so since ETV let it through, then they must be OK with it being sent in. In other words, the customer sends a request to the supplier, and the supplier has said OK, we'll see if its possible. If someone isn't paying anything, just watching through the window, then tough, either get your money out and be a customer, or stay outside and be ignored. your choice, but you can't dictate what happens inside the shop, from outside. No more so than I have the right to come to your house and tell you what channel to watch on your TV. If you're not on-board, then you cant say which way to steer.

15102004 wrote:Fortunately at ETV there is still someone who thinks that money can't buy everything.

Another time i want to say to mr WK aka Kennyboy that there are so many guys that also pay for TV show calling and sending messages to the girl, and with great probability, are such persons to keep etv-web alive.
If i'm calling a girl in TV, is not my fault if "freeloaders" are watching. And before i'm a caller, i was one of them, so they are not a problem for ETV but a resource. Where ETV should find new customers? Door to door?

Have you never asked why ETV continues to pay satellite fee, and all the other charges that a tv channel needs if their web project is so remunerative?

Are you one of the ones calling, or are you just trying to add justification through association?
a freeloader is someone that has no intentions of ever paying, he or she just wants to get something for nothing, without any valid or useful contribution to the supplier. So therefore, if ( and you don't say you are, but IF) you're a caller, then you are not a freeloader, and a caller would probably not mind paying maybe 1mins credit extra to see a girl on the other studio.
where do ETV find new callers, from the web of course, the same place that the freeloaders lurk and post crap on forums

ETV pay satellite fees because not everyone has internet at a good enough speeds, and TV is still a great medium to use for many. If you notice, ETV are keen to move a lot more to internet-based, but it takes time. They have a lot that are now moving to internet based TV as well as the web site.

door to door ETV, well if they send the girls round, then I reckon it would be quite successful lol

have a nice day

Fortunately at ETV there is still someone who thinks that money can't buy everything.

Another time i want to say to mr WK aka Kennyboy that there are so many guys that also pay for TV show calling and sending messages to the girl, and with great probability, are such persons to keep etv-web alive.
If i'm calling a girl in TV, is not my fault if "freeloaders" are watching. And before i'm a caller, i was one of them, so they are not a problem for ETV but a resource. Where ETV should find new customers? Door to door?

Have you never asked why ETV continues to pay satellite fee, and all the other charges that a tv channel needs if their web project is so remunerative?