Eurotic TV - General Discussion

Siegfried wrote:

victor999 wrote:I just want to channel continued to live.But what you say on the merits of proposals?

Yes I'm with you Victor. Who could object to pay one euro per month as you propose ?

Problem with FTA live show it has to keep within censorship rules. Because of that it is now much softer than it was couple of years ago. This must be disappointment to many - it is to me.

Yet I would still pay something to keep it on screen because it is one of several channels I will have a look at in the evening. I have no interest in daytime shows like many others.
If it would encrypt to allow hotter to be shown I would certainly subscribe.

However I have sophisticated satellite system which can deal with many types of encryption via CAM. I suspect many in Europe are using their provider boxes? (for e.g. SkyDE)

Sorry to disappont you but in ELS there are same restrictions that in FTA, so no lesbian action, no pussy close-ups and so on (few exceptions of course, firstofall by Amy at her mansion).
Despite they say in ELS there is no censorship at all, as you can read at their "wall" or hear from moderators speech (I am referring firstofall to Aria as italian moderator, she always says that ELS are the land of freedom with no censorship at all, maybe to advertise herself in premium shows)

And if you ask a model to do something more she goes upset and answers she is not a cam girl, that isn't a porn show and they could do just what they will feel to do (lyrics and music by Michelle some weeks ago).

You might ask: "So what's the difference with FTA nightshows?", my answer is "FTA nightshows are getting softer and softer, to force viewers to get an account".

Here you are.

victor999 wrote:I just want to channel continued to live.But what you say on the merits of proposals?

Yes I'm with you Victor. Who could object to pay one euro per month as you propose ?

Problem with FTA live show it has to keep within censorship rules. Because of that it is now much softer than it was couple of years ago. This must be disappointment to many - it is to me.

Yet I would still pay something to keep it on screen because it is one of several channels I will have a look at in the evening. I have no interest in daytime shows like many others.
If it would encrypt to allow hotter to be shown I would certainly subscribe.

However I have sophisticated satellite system which can deal with many types of encryption via CAM. I suspect many in Europe are using their provider boxes? (for e.g. SkyDE)

I just want to channel continued to live.But what you say on the merits of proposals?

victor999 wrote:A lot of criticism but no one offers an alternative.I'll try to do it. I really liked it that ETV honestly confess:good show and financially successful show-it is not the same. Make show-no subscribers.Respond to calls and SMS-dissatisfied with the audience.How to combine these two concepts? Here are my thoughts.The show will be better only if it will bring much more money ETV.Money can give ETV only vievers. ETV is now limited income 70 000 euros per month(night shows).But only on this forum to 115.000 members and at least 200,000 visitors.Most watched ETV.All in all, the vievers is much more.My idea can be expressed in one sentence:You agree to pay 1 euro per month for 100 hours of good erotic show?For bad show viewers will not pay.(Ideally, I see the erotic theater.Every girl dreams of becoming an actress. Their attitude toward the show change.The work of the actress is much more interesting,than girl on phone.). But how to do it? I wrote about this(10 04 2012, General discussion) I have considered motivation vievers to the voluntary payment(benefits should be many times greater than the costs),size and method of payment.But no one answered.I do not know English.Used Google translator.Maybe me not understand.Or did not believe.I wrote then, that the escape of the Internet-suicide for ETV..They sent all efforts to promote the website. and scored a big bolt on everything else.I know ,my idea implement it is difficult, to nearly impossible.But if it is pan out,that the show will be a lot better, ETV will earn more money,model, especially the stars,will be earn a lot more.The better the show, by that more earnings I'm sure: the show Gia 11. 07. on FTA TV would bring more money than a month of the boring show .Viewers will vote, to see corresponding show in the future.1 vote = 1 Euro.There are else many advantages,but they now will not speak.

I have not been critical, I just said that ETV has become and will become more and more, something different from what I appreciated. For the rest, they can do as he pleases, but what I have written will happen, it is inevitable if they continue on this road.
Regard

Good question:

And why is Anna still working in Daily Shows if the concept of the FTA Shows have failed? Why isn´t she ever in a ELS Show? She is only the Cameragirl, if she is needed. Or the fifth Wheel in a Car.

I would be careful what i say on Tv because not all customers are Blinded Fans who accept everything.

zxcv wrote:<snip>

Good luck with that .

This is precisely why they must give more and more.
ELS is a bottomless pit, the models will notice.

zxcv wrote:<snip>

Good luck with that .

A lot of criticism but no one offers an alternative.I'll try to do it. I really liked it that ETV honestly confess:good show and financially successful show-it is not the same. Make show-no subscribers.Respond to calls and SMS-dissatisfied with the audience.How to combine these two concepts? Here are my thoughts.The show will be better only if it will bring much more money ETV.Money can give ETV only vievers. ETV is now limited income 70 000 euros per month(night shows).But only on this forum to 115.000 members and at least 200,000 visitors.Most watched ETV.All in all, the vievers is much more.My idea can be expressed in one sentence:You agree to pay 1 euro per month for 100 hours of good erotic show?For bad show viewers will not pay.(Ideally, I see the erotic theater.Every girl dreams of becoming an actress. Their attitude toward the show change.The work of the actress is much more interesting,than girl on phone.). But how to do it? I wrote about this(10 04 2012, General discussion) I have considered motivation vievers to the voluntary payment(benefits should be many times greater than the costs),size and method of payment.But no one answered.I do not know English.Used Google translator.Maybe me not understand.Or did not believe.I wrote then, that the escape of the Internet-suicide for ETV..They sent all efforts to promote the website. and scored a big bolt on everything else.I know ,my idea implement it is difficult, to nearly impossible.But if it is pan out,that the show will be a lot better, ETV will earn more money,model, especially the stars,will be earn a lot more.The better the show, by that more earnings I'm sure: the show Gia 11. 07. on FTA TV would bring more money than a month of the boring show .Viewers will vote, to see corresponding show in the future.1 vote = 1 Euro.There are else many advantages,but they now will not speak.

I think that a director did very hard work yesterday night show .
He had to use very much effort .
He forced to girls perform show of menial level (boring, boring and boring).
He forced to girls ignore viewers requests (except for "fetish" that is not prohibited).
He carefully see to it that the girls not undressing too early (some girls can undressing, but they don't interesting).
He must interupted everything that could be erotic or exciting.

This work must be very exhausting.
I want to thank Director and other staff of ETV for the destruction of night show .

Such a director is completely unnecessary and can go home .
Solo Girls would do show much better .

(These are just my feelings.)

lucifer70 wrote:"..Anna wants to say a few words concerning the TV live shows and the Internet Exclusive shows. There is really a freedom in Internet to watch your favorite one that can satysfy your needs to watch Gia. In the Exclusive you have the chance spent all the time with Gia without any camera changes or interruptions..."

This is the answer that ETV has posted on ETV-Wall to a customer who complained of poor performances of Gia in Nightshow and "..her camera time that is very very short compared to other models...".

I have a couple of the interesting questions for our lovely model Anna :

- Can you deny that main source of income comes from the FTA channel ?

- Can you afford to take the huge gamble and gradually ( in the next months ) dispense with the core business the FTA channel and its total income and move forward to the web and ELS services as an alternative ...are you really able to do this ?

- Did the new ELS service ....add an additional and valuable income to the total income of the channel …..or all what has happened is that just some new comers entered the ring ......their contributions in the total income is certainly negligible ?

- Are you able to launch a 24 hours ELS service with a complete shifts with a complete cast in every single shifts ..…do you really have the resources for that …?

If the answer of is ....No ...for three questions out of four question ...then this would mean that you are in the wrong direction and you decided to apply the wrong strategy .

I can't deny your right to start a new investment and I can't deny your attempts to find and to open a new markets …I am all for the new investments and the new markets ...but what and where are the real invest and the real markets ?

The ELS services ...is nothing but a big failure …..a waste of efforts , time and money ....most of all it certainly represents an obstruction for the the core business and it will bring it down to the lowest level .

For sure Will end as soon as possible with another big and huge disappointment for ETV ...or say with a big catastrophe when they realize that they have destroyed their core business and kill charm of ETV and changed the concept of its content ...by adopting .....Some of the most failed , miserable and short term policies ......

Good luck with that .

"..Anna wants to say a few words concerning the TV live shows and the Internet Exclusive shows. There is really a freedom in Internet to watch your favorite one that can satysfy your needs to watch Gia. In the Exclusive you have the chance spent all the time with Gia without any camera changes or interruptions..."

This is the answer that ETV has posted on ETV-Wall to a customer who complained of poor performances of Gia in Nightshow and "..her camera time that is very very short compared to other models...".

Last night a customer reproached to Suzie to undress on the web but do nothing on TV, despite requests received.

Gia's show last night, was also particularly ridiculous, and it seems even more ridiculous (and this feeling will increase over time) in light of that show, it is told, she did on the web (but this also applies to other models, Scarlet, Suzie etc ...).

In a nutshell this means: why continue to watch the Nightshow? Open an account on ETV site!

They, of course, are free to do whatever they want, but most continue on this road they will find themselves bound hand and foot to the wishes of their customers, customers who really pay and whose will they can no longer ignore. Eventually, that will lead them to adapt to what is the market on the internet. And the models (no more girls, but pro - models) must, if they want to continue to get the rich wage of ETV (which, for a girl from molvania is not to be despised), they ashould dapt to their colleagues working on others "erotic" sites.
that's all, the heroines of yesterday, will be the webcam girls of tomorrow.
Time is already doing its job.

Etv are playing on 2 platform.
And it seems they are going more and more to focus on ELS if I´m wright.
I have never see it and I never will.So I can´t judge if the ELS are good, and
if it´s worth or not.

But if the quality and substance are good then It´s fair if you must pay for it.
And if it´s profitably they will switch more and more on the ELS concept.
So if Etv see the future in the ELS it´s ok, becaus they must pay the bills and make money.
That means they downgraded the day and nightshow and make them more
a base or platform,an magnet,a trapped to catch guys and make them warm
for a model.After a while those guys want see more and switch on the other platform.

For me it is a pitty,because the nightshow or not the same anymore.
It is not necessary for me to see only naked models.
I like to see girls who want to make a show,teasing, do something special with nice
sound and atmospehre.
But these flootlight,crappy sounds,static deco and offen/sometimes uninspired models
are poison for a good entertainment.
I think the shows are gone,the dating line has taken over and are a magnet to
to bring the people after a while in the direction of the ELS.

I´m just mind gaming.If you have the same idea,notion or just thinking I´m
telling nonsense please let me know.

Esteem lucifer 70 post as attachment to my "modest proposal" some posts below (maybe next page).

Well said lucifer70, like I have allready said webcam sites are free, unless you sign up and pay tokens and why pay etv tokens when there are far better places to spend them. Once again etv have an idea and as normal like a bull in a china shop with no regard to it's existing customers focus on the idea alone, while everything around it crumbles to dust.
I see a lot of narcissism around the staff who produce this channel and neither you or I will every change it, it has to come from within.
Don't hold you breath !
Me I have not watched it for three weeks now, that's meant lots of sleep, so it's a good thing.

I must admit that I really enjoy everything that is happening on and around ETV. Our friends, attracted by the vision of easy money, are thrown body and soul in the "web" without realizing that, in the meantime, they're putting their head in a noose whose head was (and it'll be increasingly in the future ) strictly in the hands of customers. While they strive to increase customers on the web, customers of the shows on TV drop quickly. In this way, customers which have accounts increase in value exponentially.
ETV has always disdained customers, and also recently tried to pull some dirty trick, but with the result (and this was a real surpise to me) of discovering that the power of the customers was significantly increased (ask Gia - or Gerd - for information). They now know they can't give even a single customer, and they begin, albeit slowly and with still inadequate behavior, to adapt to the idea.
In particular, they were kicked off the show on Internet with high hopes. Three shows a day, up to six girls involved in the show, all the models involved, the softest and hottest.
The result? Show sometimes ridiculous, often boring. No reason to buy credits (not I said this but many members of this forum).
So many customers have begun to grumble, to complain, others have written mail. But much more important, many haven't paid for the shows or have declined to reload their account (I remember a show of Jessica, not encrypted, in which she remained for about two hours in video and nobody, but nobody, would send an sms or call her on the phone).
How did, in fact, our friends? They have distorted the format, only two shows a day, with a maximum of three models (rarely) and a shorter duration. They've also added the premium to encourage customers to spend their own money and, thus, recharge their accounts. But by far the most important thing, in the show are used, only the hottest models. Now it appears their efforts have achieved some results.
But I wonder, what will happen when, inevitably and humanly, customers begin to demand more? Gia's customers, for example, be satisfied or will try to have something extra? (especially after five years of took the piss?)
And when, not if, but when that happens what will our friends do?
They'll say because of the censorship they can't do anything else? Ridiculous, the web is a place of complete freedom and no rules.
They'll say that ETV is just an erotic show? Pathetic, the definition of eroticism is wide, supple and full of nuances.
They'll hide behind the moral principles of their models? But the models have already failed to meet their principles, and even more times. For example, Carry had publicly stated that she would never have stripped ... Now is the major attraction of the web show.
The truth is that the pressure of the clients and fear of losing customers cause them to go out of their models and ask them to give more .. and this will happen.
Eurotictv, with all its specificities, is dead, surviving only a few relics, such as Daytime show, almost deserted, and Nightshow, but these are just an excuse to showcase the models for sale on the web. ETV was created in its place which is an hybrid, without a specific form and it must operate in a highly competitive marketplace (internet) and absolutely free. In this area you have to fight with tooth and nail to keep customers.
This is now a winding road, which you know the place of departure, but no one knows where it'll arrive. Meanwhile, the first change is that the perception of the girls from customers is changing rapidly. They aren't more girls next door that had to be coddled and forgiven if you do not satisfied.
Now they're professional models, the stars of a show in payment on the web. How many customers today (or will in the future) would be willing to pay to see a mediocre show? Or tolerate in silence if their desire was ignored? And it's right, they paid (Actually, credit card or bank transfer). They embarked on a dangerous road that will take them, is the market demands it, to adapt turning increasingly their models in webcam girls.
Money rules the world....enjoy

Tonight you can prove if this Theme Shows work at FTA. Then you all can say if this shows are worth or not.