Eurotic TV - General Discussion

Pirncemami wrote:Only I can write that I am missing Etv.
In my opinion
1. Etv needs new models with different type white black fat thin tall short
2. Morning and afternoon they should use the old studio style not only bed and very small studio
3. Three classic night shows every week like before
4. They should record the shows becausr no human can set front of screen every day for 6 hours for night show
5. They should return Gym shows and stories show. It was very very simple but in same time it was great.

This are what I miss. I am not talking about open legs or ass or pussy only I care about this thing. Repeating the nude shows with out any story or reason is boring.

Gym show.....my favourite show

tux.friend wrote:OK I agree with the most, but you write the mistake "competes with himself". A customer can spend one euro only one time and with the two parallel channels etv had around double costs, so they had from the start on to double their customer. Thats also one mistake with the ex shows, less income with less call time and more costs for the second studio. But this simple mathmatics are for artistic people like the etv bosses to simple

The web must be a add on and different from tv and not in competition to the tv. If tv and web is to near the customer will split their money and that could be not enough for etv. So they need tv customer and web customer. The tv must be the high quality marketing tool of etv.

Hi tux.friend
. Is probably at my bad English or google, to exactly what you tell it so I wanted to express with "competes with himself"

ETV has no competition, only himself. And just because I curl my viewers from TV to the Web there are still as many users as before, which remains the same sales and the cost increases.
Or is here anyone, who over the internet the website of ETV has found, without knowing the TV show?
After what is there to look for? In google you will not find it, unless you choose the TV show. Facebook, Twitter etc they refuse. Links from other sites - none- only from here and the Italian forum.
There is zero advertising on the web for the page and that's again illogical ETV Style

Only I can write that I am missing Etv.
In my opinion
1. Etv needs new models with different type white black fat thin tall short
2. Morning and afternoon they should use the old studio style not only bed and very small studio
3. Three classic night shows every week like before
4. They should record the shows becausr no human can set front of screen every day for 6 hours for night show
5. They should return Gym shows and stories show. It was very very simple but in same time it was great.

This are what I miss. I am not talking about open legs or ass or pussy only I care about this thing. Repeating the nude shows with out any story or reason is boring.

connell wrote:

TazDevil wrote:...

The shows recently have been too tame, repetitive and the flow disrupted by mixing TV and Web broadcasts. If they applied the following two simple changes I predict many members would come back to the channel and brand new members would try out the paid services:

ETV1 - Allow up to full nude on TV and keep these models dedicated to the TV callers and TV messages
ETV2 - Allow the web show models in a separate studio to set their own limits, keeping these dedicated to exclusive callers and exclusive messages.

... Come on ETV “Get Back to Basics” please!

The one can only agree completely.

...
Strict separation of TV and Web, a good show on TV and a webshow that something special to offer, which is not possible in the TV would be the only
what could convince me to spend on both money.
ETV're the only television broadcaster that does not recognize its website as a supplement and additional service, but competes with himself.
I myself take away customers to lure them into the Web, probably hardly brings more revenue.
If I have a good running business, I dont open right next door a branch with the same goods and think I have subsequently more customers. Just because I write there on the door only for VIPs and require admission.

OK I agree with the most, but you write the mistake "competes with himself". A customer can spend one euro only one time and with the two parallel channels etv had around double costs, so they had from the start on to double their customer. Thats also one mistake with the ex shows, less income with less call time and more costs for the second studio. But this simple mathmatics are for artistic people like the etv bosses to simple

The web must be a add on and different from tv and not in competition to the tv. If tv and web is to near the customer will split their money and that could be not enough for etv. So they need tv customer and web customer. The tv must be the high quality marketing tool of etv.

GeorgeSK wrote:Hi Tux friend. I am not surprised at falling visitor numbers of ETV - not everybody likes exclusives and FTA is boring now. And the mathematics speaks for itself:

Its also not a surprise for me, only the high number they lost was surprising. It shows the drop in quality and that the changes are not the taste of the customer.

Probably because of the lost time of those 10 minutes for leaving and coming back to the studio they invented the Fusion and Split Cam - in theory no delay, no lost revenue, instant exclusives, models can receive calls during those "excusives". The result is the hybrid they broadcast now and nobody - neither fans of classic night shows nor fans of exclusives like the results.The question now is wll there be anough people to pay the 2 credits and send exclusive vips for shows like the Fusion or Split Cam after the discontinuation of the subscription model?

I was laughting evertime 2 or more models go to ex and it was over 1 year until etv realised that they lost money with this. That speaks not for a good finance management at etv or the mathmatics potential of the etv bosses

At least for me, the answer is no, because the subscription model showed in whole naked glory how poor and boring those exclusive shows, regardless of the part of the day, being it night or morning, (especially morning and afternoon), became compared to what they were just 3 months ago, like the Sunday morning exclusive show of 8th November 2015, with more than 10 ex wishes, almost one after the other + studio wishes, and Isadora showing her full naked glory - in a dark room. Now almost no VIPs, the director sending the models to do the shows, not the viewers, which are sometimes so similar you don't believe they are live (the same model doing the same strip routine 3-4 times in 5 hours). VIP messages are cycled for 6-8 times to mask the lack of them.

Start a new offer and this must be cheaper then the existing one or no one would buy it, but cheaper means you need more customer for the same money and with the same time to destroy the only marketing tools you have, is really a clever concept.

And almost the same goes for the night shows - message cycling, fewer wishes, calls, only core fans of models sending VIPs mostly. Of course, there are exceptions, some very good shows, but they are more exception then norm, unfortunately.

and dont forgot all the fake messages incl this running gag "super show"
What I really dont understand, it looks like that etv in 10 years had no vip/message handling system. Ok they can transport the message from sender to the tv or plasma, but all other looks like that moderator and director make it by hand or with paper and pencil. Forgot messages or sending wishes 1 hour after the shift, that looks not professional if you would earn money with this.

I dont want to be accused as one who lives in the past because I didn't watch ETV in the greatest days of it's glory, just sporadically the first 2 years and regularly the last 3-4 months or so. But surely, based on a simple observation of old videos and discussions going back years on this forum, they must have had bigger incomes from those classic nights not long ago,
- where people were sending in 20-30 VIP wishes an hour, maybe more,
- where you could see 3, 4 or more full strips, feet shows, etc. in an hour as a result of those 20-30 wishes per hour, sometimes too much - an overload,
- where fufillment of those withes was delayed because the model was busy on the phone line,
- where models were free to interact,
- people recorded those shows from FTA and published them here and didn't seem to mind all the logos and phone numbers and not HD signal or even 4:3 picture ratio in a 16:9 widescreen world, because the shows were interesting and exciting,
- even after all those 5, 6 or more years people here are still asking for reuploads of those same videos, because the hosting companies, like megaupload and rapidshare have gone extinct in the meantime
- people were discussing the same shows long after broadcasting as legendary,
- people were discussing the models as legendary

Very good conclusion.
We all came from the past but no one lives in the past. Not everything was bad in the past and we must not destroy everything from the past, only while the time goes on.

But those days are gone now.

But there is no rule or law that says the days must gone, its only the opinion of the etv bosses. Its nothing to say against changes and make things newer if this makes it better. But in the case of etv nothing would be better. A big thing for companys today is, back to the roots and if changes are needed, make it moderate, so customer dont lose the identification with the company/product. Think about what would happend if apple changes from white to black with an everything design. Thats one of the biggest mistakes of etv in the last year, a lot of their best customer lost the identification with the channal.

GeorgeSK wrote:Hi Tux friend. I am not surprised at falling visitor numbers of ETV - not everybody likes exclusives and FTA is boring now. And the mathematics speaks for itself:

1 exclusive show - 4 credits - roughly around 8 Euros for 5 to 10 minutes of exclusive show + some 5 minutes to prepare the model for the exclusive and another 5 to get back to studio (after a shower or oil show even more), so this works out to an income of 8 Euros for 15 to 20 minutes of the model's time

1 minute of telephone call - 1 credit - roughly around 2 Euros - the income from a call to the model in the same 15 to 20 minutes is 30 to 40 Euros

...

But the math also says, a model can serve one caller at a time, but the number of viewers paying to watch the Exclusives is techically limited only by the bandwidth of the stream.
And I suppose that's ETVs idea.
On the other hand, with 30Euros per month for all shows they need thousands of paying viewers to make that work.
But without knowing how many paying viewers they have and how much time the girls have without callers a realistic calculation is not possible.

Regards
Joker

Hi Tux friend. I am not surprised at falling visitor numbers of ETV - not everybody likes exclusives and FTA is boring now. And the mathematics speaks for itself:

1 exclusive show - 4 credits - roughly around 8 Euros for 5 to 10 minutes of exclusive show + some 5 minutes to prepare the model for the exclusive and another 5 to get back to studio (after a shower or oil show even more), so this works out to an income of 8 Euros for 15 to 20 minutes of the model's time

1 minute of telephone call - 1 credit - roughly around 2 Euros - the income from a call to the model in the same 15 to 20 minutes is 30 to 40 Euros

The exclusives themselves can't make up for lost call time, they can make a triple or quadruple on calls in the timeframe of an exclusive show. The difference is even bigger when 2 models are asked to do an exclusive. Of course, the mathematics would be different if many people paid the 2 credit entry fee to exclusive. And probably this is why they stopped the subscription.

Probably because of the lost time of those 10 minutes for leaving and coming back to the studio they invented the Fusion and Split Cam - in theory no delay, no lost revenue, instant exclusives, models can receive calls during those "excusives". The result is the hybrid they broadcast now and nobody - neither fans of classic night shows nor fans of exclusives like the results.The question now is wll there be anough people to pay the 2 credits and send exclusive vips for shows like the Fusion or Split Cam after the discontinuation of the subscription model?

At least for me, the answer is no, because the subscription model showed in whole naked glory how poor and boring those exclusive shows, regardless of the part of the day, being it night or morning, (especially morning and afternoon), became compared to what they were just 3 months ago, like the Sunday morning exclusive show of 8th November 2015, with more than 10 ex wishes, almost one after the other + studio wishes, and Isadora showing her full naked glory - in a dark room. Now almost no VIPs, the director sending the models to do the shows, not the viewers, which are sometimes so similar you don't believe they are live (the same model doing the same strip routine 3-4 times in 5 hours). VIP messages are cycled for 6-8 times to mask the lack of them.

And almost the same goes for the night shows - message cycling, fewer wishes, calls, only core fans of models sending VIPs mostly. Of course, there are exceptions, some very good shows, but they are more exception then norm, unfortunately.

I dont want to be accused as one who lives in the past because I didn't watch ETV in the greatest days of it's glory, just sporadically the first 2 years and regularly the last 3-4 months or so. But surely, based on a simple observation of old videos and discussions going back years on this forum, they must have had bigger incomes from those classic nights not long ago,
- where people were sending in 20-30 VIP wishes an hour, maybe more,
- where you could see 3, 4 or more full strips, feet shows, etc. in an hour as a result of those 20-30 wishes per hour, sometimes too much - an overload,
- where fufillment of those withes was delayed because the model was busy on the phone line,
- where models were free to interact,
- people recorded those shows from FTA and published them here and didn't seem to mind all the logos and phone numbers and not HD signal or even 4:3 picture ratio in a 16:9 widescreen world, because the shows were interesting and exciting,
- even after all those 5, 6 or more years people here are still asking for reuploads of those same videos, because the hosting companies, like megaupload and rapidshare have gone extinct in the meantime
- people were discussing the same shows long after broadcasting as legendary,
- people were discussing the models as legendary

But those days are gone now.

Ohh, nothing is older than my comment I would write yesterday

ETV is stopping subscriptions, it's official, from Christine:

"Hello there,

Thank you for the feedback, It is always appreciated.
Meantime we decided to stop the subscription services because of low interest.

Regards
Christine"

Thats the good news, but what comes next? What will etv do? What kind of shows we can expect?
Waiting for the next surprise from etv Hopefully its a good one, or say its time for a good one, after all this desasters.

the old paying customers maybe, and given the current shows, its not overly surprising. but as for the poor micro minority: some of who claim never to pay, these non payers are irrelevant to ETV since they don't contribute at all anyway

sorry kenny but I am unable to take your comments longer serious. Why? Every time the same like the preaching of a schamans and not only me, a lot of other members told you different things, but all this arguments dont reaches you.
Some things you negate and preaches:
- what cares about history, history is important, because everyone and thing is what he/it is. Without history we had an other life or no life.
- bloody free view, 99,999 % off all customers of etv starts with a free look to the channel and the most of the time we all, including me, are the most of the time free viewers, I dont pay every second to view, or it is enought to sent one vip a day, a week, a month, a year or within the life to be a nofreerider? Where is the boarder?
- talk about the show, in your eyes only ex buyer and subscriber had the right to talk about the show, but with every sms the sender had more right to complain than the ex buyers, because he spend 4 credits and the ex show is only 2 or 3 credits.
- old customer are irrelevant, they had a lot of money and they spend it in the past (but history is not important) and now this is lost for etv. A big lost for the income of etv today and in the future.
- the show had potential, this is what you say about every new show/format, but it is not enough to had potential, the result must be good and over one year nothing good was produced by etv, but every new thing had potential if its from etv.
On the other side normaly you and all the other ex believers must sent ever day a thank you to all the guys and girls they sent request/search sms to the etv screen around the day, they all pays a lot of money. Without these there are no ex show at all, the ex sells are not able to finance etv and I think the ex sells are not able to compensate the lost of calls an vips, or why all this rude trys in the last year.


In short, what would I write yesterday. The result on top are self-speaking. The links from andrea are very interesting and an update for the discussion of etv web ranking one month ago. The drift was equal in the last half year and the birthday are only a short break and it was in january much more faster then before. Important is that etv cant stop the drift with all the power and push they brought to the web project. In january it was not only a drift it was a disaster, an accident, a catastrophe for etv. For me it looks like the prelude of the funeral of the whole web project.
Now the question is, what conclussions etv draws from this - all viewers are bad and dont understand our artistic target - ok, lets continue with an higher artistic target - Thats possible in their arrogance but hopefully not.

TazDevil wrote:I understand that the Subscription service is being terminated at the end of the current period, due to the low interest. For me this is low interest in the shows, rather than about how we pay to watch or interact.

The shows recently have been too tame, repetitive and the flow disrupted by mixing TV and Web broadcasts. If they applied the following two simple changes I predict many members would come back to the channel and brand new members would try out the paid services:

ETV1 - Allow up to full nude on TV and keep these models dedicated to the TV callers and TV messages
ETV2 - Allow the web show models in a separate studio to set their own limits, keeping these dedicated to exclusive callers and exclusive messages.

The market will determine for ETV how many models need to be assigned to each channel each shift to stimulate calls and messages for fulfilment either on TV or the Web. I believe by doing the basics well, without mixing the TV and Web, it will make the majority of members happy. Come on ETV “Get Back to Basics” please!

The one can only agree completely.

After ETV has done everything its viewers to split into 2 groups for more than a year , Webuser and TV viewers and constantly declared that the TV show is dead, the fusion of TV and web show makes absolutly no sense.
The TV show may show nothing except a curtain and Webuser who had paid, have to look for more than 60% of the time the lame TV show too .
This is nonsense and makes all unhappy.

Strict separation of TV and Web, a good show on TV and a webshow that something special to offer, which is not possible in the TV would be the only
what could convince me to spend on both money.
ETV're the only television broadcaster that does not recognize its website as a supplement and additional service, but competes with himself.
I myself take away customers to lure them into the Web, probably hardly brings more revenue.
If I have a good running business, I dont open right next door a branch with the same goods and think I have subsequently more customers. Just because I write there on the door only for VIPs and require admission.

I understand that the Subscription service is being terminated at the end of the current period, due to the low interest. For me this is low interest in the shows, rather than about how we pay to watch or interact.

The shows recently have been too tame, repetitive and the flow disrupted by mixing TV and Web broadcasts. If they applied the following two simple changes I predict many members would come back to the channel and brand new members would try out the paid services:

ETV1 - Allow up to full nude on TV and keep these models dedicated to the TV callers and TV messages
ETV2 - Allow the web show models in a separate studio to set their own limits, keeping these dedicated to exclusive callers and exclusive messages.

The market will determine for ETV how many models need to be assigned to each channel each shift to stimulate calls and messages for fulfilment either on TV or the Web. I believe by doing the basics well, without mixing the TV and Web, it will make the majority of members happy. Come on ETV “Get Back to Basics” please!

badrus wrote:

kennyboy2012 wrote:

JBGOOD wrote:

ETVshow.com wrote:Subscription Service Termination

Due to the low interest the subscription service will be no longer available.
All who have subscribed will be able to use the service till the end of the prepaid period.

This is really surprising me! and make me seriously aware about the funny friends in Molvania City.

Never happened they stopped so quickly a strategical action.
Maybe Ivo has red these page and realised that the so called majority,claimed by kenny and friends, is not so larger than the poor micro minority always complaining about the way Ivo has pissed them off.
The first action taken in the new year, much much stronger than the 2015 wind, already failed...
Kenny, maybe Ivo has finaly realized that the drop of phone call and sms weights much more than your request for open legs behind the curtain.
But I guess the old,regular paying customers are definitivelly gone..

the old paying customers maybe, and given the current shows, its not overly surprising. but as for the poor micro minority: some of who claim never to pay, these non payers are irrelevant to ETV since they don't contribute at all anyway

not even an opinion just a stupid comment we aren't spending money on shit that never changes they love you etv that is not us

Good news, now all they have to do is make again nude night shows and exclusives that goes a little bit more EXPLICIT and the income grows fast. Hope you are reading this ETV...

Some years ago a model has seen the future of ETV:

[hidden image - please register]

[hidden link - please register] -> [hidden link - please register]

This dirty curtain ------------------------------------------------------> a fatal cerement which envelopes ETV stronger and stronger.

Wilsonsand wrote:i know a lot of people, believe me: a lot, who were happy customers of ETV some time ago. Kenny: customers, not freeloaders (many of them spent lot of money on calls, sms..) Many of them are gone, because they didn´t like the way ETV was doing, some of them have been waiting to see if they find an improvement to spend money again. Some of them are giving up slowly. I know some of them will never come back. All this people is a loss, is relevant. Is money, big money lost. It means ETV don´t know how to care it´s customers, but we know how arrogant they are. For many of this old customers it´s too late, and they will never come back. But not for all. I know a lot of ETV many years customers who would become happy subscribers now if ETV would make better shows. Even myself. But what to pay for? dark, boring, soft, dull shows full of censorship, distant cams, no zooms, stupid shots, wrong angles, curtains, same models, some of them doing ridiculous shows...They really deserve this failure, and if they don´t change they will fall even more. The fact is this: now they admit there is no interest in the subscription. I think the message is clear: people don´t want to subscribe because they don´t like the shows ETV is doing, and I think this is the lesson ETV should understand if they want changes for better.

Well, you can say these old customers are irelevant as they don´t spend money now, i don´t think so. Ok, you could say they can find new customers, but according the failure of the subscription system and many other things we see everyday, maybe they don´t know very well about finding new ones, or maybe after attracting them, they don´t know very well how to keep them. Lots of old customers left ETV after years, now some new customers leave ETV after weeks. I am pretty sure they have lost in one year more than they have gained. It means, to make this profitable, that the new customers must spend more money to balance the loss, and it seems this is not happening. I know i am only guessing, but it looks a real picture to me.

Some days ago, i sent one message on the basis i wrote [hidden link - please register]. I told them in a positive message, the problems i find in the exclusive shows, and how they could improve with simple changes. No reply from ETV.

I agree with a lot of what you say about the current shows. I'd say we get a good show, then a number of crap ones. and sadly, we are overdue a good one. The craps ones are for all the reasons you mention and also ETV's difficulty with comms with customers.

also, just to clarify
"the old paying customers maybe, and given the current shows, its not overly surprising. but as for the poor micro minority: some of who claim never to pay, these non payers are irrelevant to ETV since they don't contribute at all anyway"

I'm referring to the small number of current posters who proudly claim to never pay a penny. Surely they are irrelevant to ETV as they never pay, therefore don't interact, therefore, how would ETV know they existed even,.

I would say that ETV would or at least should concentrate on attracting new customers and also trying to get the old customers back
To do that, they need to produce good quality shows, good video quality and the shows need to be less tame and censored, and yes address the issues you raise. Maybe even go back to a nude free show two nights a week. If they have rules to abide by, then make the exclusive web feed free two nights a week and do some decent hot shows on those nights.

In regards to all the old customers, and to be blunt and cold. ETV should try and get back those that may come back. Those that have gone elsewhere, are gone, No point crying over spilt milk

but how to get the old customers that may still comeback, how to get them to come back?
For my mind, they need to sort out the video quality, the consistency, and the censoring.
They seem to have so many directors, half the girls are directors , maybe settle on a smaller number of directors, get them all together once a week to review shows, agree standards and then we may get consistent shows, if they all work together to agree set ways of doing things, instead of this up and down inconsistent set of shows.

but one message I would agree and shout my agreement:
The fact is this: now they admit there is no interest in the subscription. I think the message is clear: people don´t want to subscribe because they don´t like the shows ETV is doing, and I think this is the lesson ETV should understand if they want changes for better.

at least when there were FTA only nights and proper exclusive nights, one group were happy some of the nights and the other group were happy the other nights, we all moaned a bit, but currently no one is really happy with these mixmatch / confusion / shitcam shows. There have been a few decent ones and maybe two good shows, but they haven't been as good as before Christmas.
2016 has been poor so far

i know a lot of people, believe me: a lot, who were happy customers of ETV some time ago. Kenny: customers, not freeloaders (many of them spent lot of money on calls, sms..) Many of them are gone, because they didn´t like the way ETV was doing, some of them have been waiting to see if they find an improvement to spend money again. Some of them are giving up slowly. I know some of them will never come back. All this people is a loss, is relevant. Is money, big money lost. It means ETV don´t know how to care it´s customers, but we know how arrogant they are (do you remember when they said they don´t care for the money? they are artists...) For many of this old customers it´s too late, and they will never come back. But not for all. I know a lot of ETV many years customers who would become happy subscribers now if ETV would make better shows. Even myself. But what to pay for? dark, boring, soft, dull shows full of censorship, distant cams, no zooms, stupid shots, wrong angles, curtains, same models, some of them doing ridiculous shows...They really deserve this failure, and if they don´t change they will fall even more. The fact is this: now they admit there is no interest in the subscription. I think the message is clear: people don´t want to subscribe because they don´t like the shows ETV is doing, and I think this is the lesson ETV should understand if they want changes for better.

Well, you can say these old customers are irelevant as they don´t spend money now, i don´t think so. Ok, you could say they can find new customers, but according the failure of the subscription system and many other things we see everyday, maybe they don´t know very well about finding new ones, or maybe after attracting them, they don´t know very well how to keep them. Lots of old customers left ETV after years, now some new customers leave ETV after weeks. I am pretty sure they have lost in one year more than they have gained. It means, to make this profitable, that the new customers must spend more money to balance the loss, and it seems this is not happening. I know i am only guessing, but it looks a real picture to me.

Some days ago, i sent one message on the basis i wrote [hidden link - please register]. I told them in a constructive message, the problems i see in the exclusive shows, and how they could improve with simple changes. No reply from ETV.