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2013 FORMULA 1 SINGTEL SINGAPORE GRAND PRIX
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Fri 20 September 2013
Practice 1 12:00 - 13:30
Practice 2 15:30 - 17:00
Sat 21 September 2013
Practice 3 12:00 - 13:00
Qualifying 15:00
Sun 22 September 2013
Race 14:00

drivers standings
1 Sebastian Vettel German Red Bull Racing-Renault 222
2 Fernando Alonso Spanish Ferrari 169
3 Lewis Hamilton British Mercedes 141
4 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Lotus-Renault 134
5 Mark Webber Australian Red Bull Racing-Renault 130
6 Nico Rosberg German Mercedes 104
7 Felipe Massa Brazilian Ferrari 79
8 Romain Grosjean French Lotus-Renault 57
9 Jenson Button British McLaren-Mercedes 48
10 Paul di Resta British Force India-Mercedes 36
11 Adrian Sutil German Force India-Mercedes 25
12 Sergio Perez Mexican McLaren-Mercedes 18
13 Daniel Ricciardo Australian STR-Ferrari 18
14 Nico Hulkenberg German Sauber-Ferrari 17
15 Jean-Eric Vergne French STR-Ferrari 13
16 Pastor Maldonado Venezuelan Williams-Renault 1
17 Valtteri Bottas Finnish Williams-Renault 0
18 Esteban Gutierrez Mexican Sauber-Ferrari 0
19 Jules Bianchi French Marussia-Cosworth 0
20 Charles Pic French Caterham-Renault 0
21 Giedo van der Garde Dutch Caterham-Renault 0
22 Max Chilton British Marussia-Cosworth 0

constructors standings
1 Red Bull Racing-Renault 352
2 Ferrari 248
3 Mercedes 245
4 Lotus-Renault 191
5 McLaren-Mercedes 66
6 Force India-Mercedes 61
7 STR-Ferrari 31
8 Sauber-Ferrari 17
9 Williams-Renault 1
10 Marussia-Cosworth 0
11 Caterham-Renault 0

FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO D'ITALIA 2013
race results
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 53 Winner 1 25
2 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 53 +5.4 secs 5 18
3 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 53 +6.3 secs 2 15
4 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 53 +9.3 secs 4 12
5 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 53 +10.3 secs 3 10
6 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 53 +10.9 secs 6 8
7 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 53 +32.3 secs 7 6
8 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 53 +33.1 secs 13 4
9 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 53 +33.5 secs 12 2
10 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 53 +38.3 secs 9 1
11 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 53 +38.6 secs 11
12 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 53 +39.7 secs 8
13 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 53 +40.8 secs 16
14 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 53 +49.0 secs 14
15 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 53 +56.8 secs 18
16 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 52 +1 Lap 17
17 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 52 +1 Lap 20
18 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 52 +1 Lap 19
19 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth +1 Lap 21
20 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth +1 Lap 22
Ret 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari +39 Laps 10
Ret 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes + secs 15
Note - Sutil qualified 14th but was penalised three grid spots for impeding Lewis Hamilton during Q2.

Massa has changed the engine, had an oil leak.
Will not be punished because it has the same engine with the that raced in Belgium.

Hi guys, here in Monza today weather is not so good, there are
chances of rain between 14 and 15, but the air temperature is 23°,
much better than yesterday for drivers
This morning during GP 3 Series Race 2 there were 3 spectacular
crashes with cars destroyed, but luckily without consequences for
drivers involved.
So let's hope F1 race will be also spectacular, but without big
crashes and Alonso will finish at least on the podium, maybe
with Massa
Best regards, Italianfan

News Update :

Gridpenalty for Adrian Sutil :
Sutil will be punished with 3 places because of holpding Hamilton on his fast lap in the Parabolica , Sutil was on the 14th place , he will now start from 17th place !

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

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The Result of the Italian Qualifying :

Vettel leads all-Red Bull front row at Monza :
Sebastian Vettel claimed pole position for the Italian Grand Prix as all his Formula 1 championship rivals made a mess of their qualifying sessions. Fernando Alonso could only qualify fifth amid failed attempts at slipstreaming tactics by Ferrari, while neither Lewis Hamilton nor Kimi Raikkonen made it into the top 10. Mark Webber, meanwhile, made it a Red Bull one-two, while an astounding effort from Nico Hulkenberg gave the struggling Sauber team a shock third place on the grid. Ferrari had experimented with its drivers giving each other slipstreams in final practice, but its efforts to orchestrate the same strategy in Q3 fell apart.
The cars were never close enough to make the tactic work and appeared to end up spoiling each other's laps. Felipe Massa eventually found himself fourth ahead of Alonso. Webber looked to have a shot at pipping Vettel right at the end, but was first on the scene as Jean-Eric Vergne's Toro Rosso ploughed through the Parabolica gravel. That left Vettel clearly on pole with a 1m23.755s lap, 0.2 seconds quicker than his team-mate. Although Adrian Sutil is being investigated for impeding Hamilton's Mercedes at the Parabolica at the end of Q2, the Briton blamed poor driving on his part for the qualifying result. Lotus appeared to be simply short of pace, with Raikkonen and team-mate Romain Grosjean only 11th and 13th. While they all underperformed, Hulkenberg starred with a Q3 lap just 0.037s off Webber's Red Bull and ahead of the Ferraris and Nico Rosberg's Mercedes. Toro Rosso got two cars in Q3, with Daniel Ricciardo seventh but Vergne's mistake leaving him 10th. The two McLarens start behind them, Sergio Perez outqualifying Jenson Button. Sutil is currently 14th, pending any penalty. Force India looked in jeopardy of a Q1 exit until late improvements for both drivers, but there was little progress in Q2. Paul di Resta ended up 16th, just behind fellow late Q1 escapee Pastor Maldonado. Rookies Esteban Gutierrez and Valtteri Bottas were ultimately the drivers who joined the Caterhams and Marussias at the back.

1. Sebastian Vettel- Red Bull Racing - 1:23.755 -
2. Mark Webber -Red Bull Racing - 1:23.968 + 0.213
3. Nico Hulkenberg - Sauber - 1:24.065 + 0.310
4. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - 1:24.132 + 0.377
5. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - 1:24.142 + 0.387
6. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes GP - 1:24.192 + 0.437
7. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:24.209 + 0.454
8. Sergio Perez - McLaren - 1:24.502 + 0.747
9. Jenson Button - McLaren - 1:24.515 + 0.760
10. Jean-Eric Vergne - Toro Rosso - 1:28.050 + 4.295

Q2
11. Kimi Räikkönen - Lotus - 1:24.610 + 0.855
12. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes GP - 1:24.803 + 1.048
13. Romain Grosjean - Lotus - 1:24.848 + 1.093
14. Adrian Sutil - Force India - 1:24.932 + 1.177
15. Pastor Maldonado - Williams - 1:25.011 + 1.256
16. Paul di Resta - Force India - 1:25.077 + 1.322
17. Esteban Gutierrez - Sauber - 1:25.226 + 1.471

Q1
18. Valtteri Bottas - Williams - 1:25.291 -
19. Giedo van der Garde - Caterham - 1:26.406 + 2.651
20. Charles Pic - Caterham - 1:26.563 + 2.808
21. Jules Bianchi - Marussia F1 Team - 1:27.085 + 3.330
22. Max Chilton - Marussia F1 Team - 1:27.480 + 3.725

Qualifying Time : 1:23.755
Pole : Sebastian Vettel
Team Bat. : Daniel Ricciardo > Jean-Eric Vergne
Grid.Pos.Esteban Gutierrez : 17th place

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Result of the 3rd practice session :

Vettel keeps Red Bull on top in FP3
Sebastian Vettel kept his Red Bull out of Fernando Alonso's Ferrari's reach in final practice ahead of Italian Grand Prix qualifying.
The session was a battle between Alonso and Red Bull duo Vettel and Mark Webber throughout. Vettel repeated his Friday afternoon performance at first with a 1m24.551s lap that was six tenths of a second clear of his two rivals. Alonso could feel there was more speed to come though, having abandoned a better lap due to yellow flags for Paul di Resta crashing at the Parabolica.
Ferrari had previously tried slipstreaming tactics, with Alonso and Felipe Massa taking turns to tow each other round on their first runs. When they switched to softer tyres for the final laps, Vettel improved first to a 1m24.478s, then a 1m24.360s. Alonso took second from Webber as both also improved on each of their last runs. But the order remained the same, with Alonso in a Red Bull sandwich and the trio covered by 0.317s . Lewis Hamilton ultimately got within 0.035s of Webber in his Mercedes. His team-mate Nico Rosberg will go into qualifying somewhat compromised as a technical problem limited him to only five laps in the session.
McLaren had an encouraging morning as Sergio Perez took fifth and Jenson Button eighth after a long top-five spell. Toro Rosso, which won at Monza with Vettel in 2008, also showed great promise as Red Bull-bound Daniel Ricciardo blasted in two rapid laps on his final run to earn sixth ahead of Massa. Pastor Maldonado put Williams in the top 10 in ninth, as Lotus slumped to 10th and 14th with Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean. Aside from di Resta's Parabolica accident, which he put down to a technical breakage on his Force India, there were also incidents at the Ascaris for Adrian Sutil and Jean-Eric Vergne. Both continued unscathed.

1. Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull Racing - 1:24.360 -
2. Fernando Alonso - Ferrari - 1:24.643 + 0.283
3. Mark Webber - Red Bull Racing - 1:24.677 + 0.317
4. Lewis Hamilton - Mercedes GP - 1:24.712 + 0.352
5. Sergio Perez - McLaren - 1:24.864 + 0.504
6. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:24.865 + 0.505
7. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - 1:24.995 + 0.635
8. Jenson Button - McLaren - 1:25.103 + 0.743
9. Pastor Maldonado - Williams - 1:25.116 + 0.756
10. Kimi Räikkönen - Lotus - 1:25.120 + 0.760
11. Jean-Eric Vergne - Toro Rosso - 1:25.136 + 0.776
12. Nico Hulkenberg - Sauber - 1:25.273 + 0.913
13. Esteban Gutierrez - Sauber - 1:25.324 + 0.964
14. Romain Grosjean - Lotus - 1:25.499 + 1.139
15. Valtteri Bottas - Williams - 1:25.660 + 1.300
16. Adrian Sutil - Force India - 1:25.702 + 1.342
17. Paul di Resta - Force India - 1:26.120 + 1.760
18. Charles Pic - Caterham - 1:26.607 + 2.247
19. Giedo van der Garde - Caterham - 1:27.172 + 2.812
20. Jules Bianchi - Marussia F1 Team - 1:27.605 + 3.245
21. Max Chilton - Marussia F1 Team - 1:27.665 + 3.305
22. Nico Rosberg - Mercedes GP - 1:27.822 + 3.462

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

At 14.00u CET this afternoon it's Qulifying time !!!

The Result of the 2nd practice session of today :

Vettel flies in second Monza practice :
Sebastian Vettel claimed first place in second practice for the Italian Grand Prix by a commanding 0.6-second margin in his Red Bull.
The world champion was barely headed during the session, pulling clear of his rivals with an early 1m24.7s lap before improving to his final benchmark 1m24.453s after half an hour. Vettel's long-run times also proved comfortably quicker than the pack in the latter half of the session. Underlining Red Bull's ominous form, Mark Webber completed a one-two in the second car. The times were much closer in Webber's region, though, as Lotus pair Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grosjean were equal on 1m25.116s just 0.040s behind. Their identical times came despite Raikkonen using the upgraded long-wheelbase version of the car while Grosjean remained in the standard specification Lotus. Fernando Alonso was fifth in the best of the Ferraris. Like Grosjean, the Spaniard had a brief trip through the gravel during the session. Felipe Massa put the second Ferrari eighth behind Mercedes duo Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg, but had to park in the pits early with a gearbox issue. The McLarens of Jenson Button and Sergio Perez filled the final top-10 places.

1. Sebastian Vettel : Red Bull Racing - 1:24.453 -
2. Mark Webber : Red Bull Racing - 1:25.076 + 0.623
3. Romain Grosjean : Lotus - 1:25.116 + 0.663
4. Kimi Räikkönen : Lotus - 1:25.116 + 0.663
5. Fernando Alonso : Ferrari - 1:25.330 + 0.877
6. Lewis Hamilton : Mercedes GP - 1:25.340 + 0.887
7. Nico Rosberg : Mercedes GP - 1:25.367 + 0.914
8. Felipe Massa : Ferrari - 1:25.519 + 1.066
9. Jenson Button : McLaren - 1:25.532 + 1.079
10. Sergio Perez : McLaren - 1:25.627 + 1.174
11. Paul di Resta : Force India - 1:25.830 + 1.377
12. Esteban Gutierrez : Sauber - 1:25.888 + 1.435
13. Adrian Sutil : Force India - 1:26.028 + 1.575
14. Pastor Maldonado : Williams - 1:26.138 + 1.685
15. Jean-Eric Vergne : Toro Rosso - 1:26.224 + 1.771
16. Nico Hulkenberg : Sauber - 1:26.385 + 1.932
17. Daniel Ricciardo : Toro Rosso - 1:26.599 + 2.146
18. Valtteri Bottas : Williams - 1:27.198 + 2.745
19. Max Chilton : Marussia F1 Team - 1:27.548 + 3.095
20. Charles Pic : Caterham - 1:27.696 + 3.243
21. Giedo van der Garde : Caterham - 1:27.771 + 3.318
22. Jules Bianchi : Marussia F1 Team - 1:28.057 + 3.604

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

Ps : tomorrow from 11.00u CET - 12.00u CET is the 3rd practice session , followed at 14.00u with the Qualifying

brudgon wrote:FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO D'ITALIA 2013
practice1
1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:25.565 24
2 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:25.600 0.035 25
3 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:25.704 0.139 25

Lewis Hamilton leads opening Monza practice :
Lewis Hamilton topped the opening free practice session for the Italian Grand Prix. The Mercedes driver, running a revised low-downforce package after the team was disappointed with its form at Spa two weeks ago, was the last of the leading drivers to start setting flying laps. He knocked Ferrari's Alonso from top spot by 0.298 seconds five minutes before the one-hour mark.
Alonso looked set to reclaim top spot three minutes later, setting the fastest times in both the first and second sector, only to run a little wide at the exit of the Parabolica, kicking up dust, and end up 35-thousandths of a second slower. Hamilton's 13th lap suggested he would have been able to go quicker again even if Alonso improved, going fastest in both the first and second sectors before backing off in the final part of the lap and not improving his time. The first half-hour of the session was predictably quiet, with only four drivers setting lap times and Sergio Perez heading Jenson Button at the top of the timesheets by over a second.
During this early running, Button's car developed a problem with the DRS not shutting as quickly as expected, triggering a stewards' investigation into unauthorised use of the device. McLaren fixed the problem and the 2009 world champion later returned to the track to end up seventh fastest. With all drivers running the orange-banded Pirelli hard compound rubber, Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel knocked Perez out of top spot just before the halfway point of the 90-minute session. He was eventually relegated to third by Hamilton, Alonso and Nico Rosberg, the second Mercedes driver improving to third relatively late in the session. Kimi Raikkonen ended the session fifth fastest driving the new long-wheelbase specification Lotus E21, believed to be around 100mm longer than the previous car, for the first time. Team-mate Romain Grosjean drove the regular version of the car to allow the team to back-to-back the two. He ended the morning 12th. Force India's new third driver, James Calado, made his grand prix session debut after previously testing for the Silverstone squad. He completed 24 laps, ending up within half-a-second of team-mate Paul di Resta's pace and will now turn his attention to GP2 action for the rest of the weekend. Both Caterham and Marussia also ran their reserve drivers. Caterham's Heikki Kovalainen was the faster of the two, while Rodolfo Gonzalez was the first driver to complete a flying lap to top the times after 21 minutes but ended the session slowest. As is typical for Monza, numerous drivers were forced to short-cut chicanes after a mistake, with Williams driver Pastor Maldonado having the most dramatic moment when he bounced through the gravel at Ascari. The top 14 cars were all within nine tenths of a second of each other.

Kind Regards
Shaky-Schumi

FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO D'ITALIA 2013
practice1
1 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:25.565 24
2 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:25.600 0.035 25
3 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:25.704 0.139 25
4 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:25.753 0.188 26
5 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:25.941 0.376 22
6 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.007 0.442 24
7 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:26.035 0.470 23
8 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:26.103 0.538 27
9 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:26.149 0.584 21
10 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:26.155 0.590 25
11 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:26.194 0.629 25
12 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:26.295 0.730 23
13 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:26.387 0.822 21
14 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:26.449 0.884 16
15 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:26.594 1.029 13
16 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:26.802 1.237 21
17 15 James Calado Force India-Mercedes 1:27.041 1.476 24
18 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1:27.224 1.659 16
19 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1:27.818 2.253 24
20 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1:27.869 2.304 20
21 21 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:28.192 2.627 21
22 22 Rodolfo Gonzalez Marussia-Cosworth 1:29.526 3.961 26

The Italian Grand Prix(12th round of the 2013 Formula 1 World Championship) - Autodromo di Monza
6/7/8 September 2013
Monza is a legendary race track for F1 fans. It was built more than ninety years ago at the park of the Royal Villa in Monza and is Europe's oldest permanent circuit still in use. The first Grand Prix was held here in 1922. After the start of the F1 world championship (1950), the Italian Grand Prix has been always raced at Monza (except in 1980, when it was held at Imola) and Monza has hosted more Grand Prix than any other circuit. Monza race track is the fastest circuit on the F1 calendar with an average speed of around 250 km/h in qualifying and demands the development of a special aerodynamic setup, reducing the drag with a very low downforce package in order to attain top speeds of around 340 km/h. In this way with less downforce, corners such as the two Lesmos curves and the famous Parabolica: a long and open corner that generates big lateral forces, remain a challenging for pilots. The cars spend 75 percent of the lap at full throttle. Monza is also an enormous challenge for engines and brakes. At the first chicane, the cars brake from 340kph to 80kph in just 150 metres. Thanks to its special characteristics, the circuit of Monza could be the most difficult track for the Red Bull. Pirelli’s tyre compounds for the Italian Grand Prix are: medium (white stripe) and hard (orange stripe). The same combination as seen at Spa Franchorchamps 2 weeks ago. Two drs zones: the first on the start-finish straight while the second zone will be on the straight that runs between the trees before a fast chicane called the Variante Ascari, a left-right-left combination taken at high speed. Winners, Podium and pole position (last 3 editions)
2010: 1° Alonso – Ferrari (2° Button and 3°Massa) – fastest lap: Alonso – pole: Alonso, time 1m 21.962
2011: 1° Vettel – Red Bull (2° Button and 3° Alonso) – fastest lap: Hamilton – pole: Vettel, time 1m 22.275
2012: 1° Hamilton – Mc Laren (2° Perez and 3° Alonso) – fastest lap: Rosberg – pole: Hamilton 1m 24.010
Wins for current pilots: Alonso 2 wins (2007-2010) – Vettel 2 wins (2008-2011)Hamilton one win(2012)
Podiums at Monza: Alonso(5 times) – Button(4) – Raikkonen (3) – Vettel and Hamilton(2) – Perez and Massa(1)
Pole position: Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso (2) – Raikkonen 1. (In Italy, Webber no win no podium and no pole)
Stats on this season after 11 races.
Wins: Vettel(5 times) Alonso and Rosberg(2); Raikkonen and Hamilton (1)
Podium: Vettel(8); Raikkonen and Alonso(6); Hamilton(5); Webber(3); Rosberg and Grosjean(2); Massa(1).
Pole position: Hamilton(5 times) Vettel, and Rosberg (3)

Today in Monza paddocks the calendar for next season has been announced.
The 2014 F1 World Championship will begin in Australia on March 16 and will
end in Brazil on November 30 (Italian GP will be on September 7).
Austria and Mexico will return to organize a race and Russia will make its debut
on new Sochi circuit.
This temporary document will be submitted to Fia council on September 26.