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It was the end of the year had not seen most of the night the show and now a few days ago that I took, I notice that ETV has changed completely in what she does see in realtà..praticamente if one wants to see a naked rqagazza must go on ETV site and pay and see a naked girl. In the current show, you only see models in topless..molto disappointing and in my opinion, never pagnerò a penny to see a model that eventually shows as much or as little bare and nothing else!
True, over the years all went into decline and ETV than once will remain a good memory and a few videos saved, that sometimes you can see, but from here on, or because there are new laws or because it is the philosophy of change, to stake everything on the internet site, beautiful models like Lauren etc etc that were not problems to be seen completely naked on the show live, and not exclusive, not we shall see ......... really disappointing! It was just my humble opinion a TV Erotica I was born and now I can say I saw die ........  
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Bye bye rich ppl
Bye bye money ppl No more eUrotic-TV ✋ |
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What I find truly baffling is tonight on the afterhours show yet again the models were allowed to get fully nude, I've long been an opponent of the need to have an aftershow because as far as I'm concerned if ETV are only allowed so many hours in which to show adult material then they really should take full advantage of the opportunity, that said and done I shall judge the afterhours on its own merits now.
Interesting to note that on UK Channel Babestation which also has the Unleashed FTA webshow and the encrypted BSX show they still manage to find a suitable level for each show respectively. On the main FTA show tonight one of the babes was doing a nude POV which was far more explicit than anything ETV have had to offer of late so it just goes to prove that with the correct scheduling in place every audience can be catered for. Also and I've highlighted this issue before, ETV has no credible competition, its no coincidence that during there golden era they had to compete with many other shows of this type, now its just a very lame Babestation Germany and Sexysat to my knowledge. All that said and done it would be very interesting to know if since ETV have moved the goalposts if the opposition and boycott will have extended outside of the perimeters of this forum which hopefully has hit them financially hard. ETV have a history of changing the rules and the last time they tamed the show down to the current levels it didn't last long so if history is anything to go by then it won't be long before exclusives are finally kicked to one side before hopefully being shelved away for good with the exception of the dayshows. Next week I will be working again the nightshifts but hopefully after I have completed my run of shifts that the next night I have available I'll be able to contribute something good on the video Threads as I honestly don't think that this current show will remain permanent, if it does then perhaps the owner of ETV is doing it on purpose in order to declare bankruptcy, lets hope not. |
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What ever made me look at the reputations of Robert in Arias tread he has 614 posts (just to identify him}
I clicked on many of his friends just to find out when they last checked in ,I thought when they left that's it .At least 66% if not more logged in in the last two weeks A hooker is always a hooker and an ETV addict is always an addict. |
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Hi Tux, we r not the owner of the channel so we can change anything, but the forum is the right place for express your opinions, ideas, comments on the show always respecting others opinions, i think is very interesting the dialogue between scottish and kenny, they explain different positions respecting each other,I'm not happy and i want change many things, others are happy of actual and don't want changes, others again are happy but want change something, anyone has his opinion and a forum is the right place to share it, of course do not expect your ideas or suggestions become real,
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I think about to stop all partícipation of discussions about etv. Why? Its a waste of time for me, no really new facts, the etv bosses make their own way and had zero interest what others think. But like me a lot of people love what etv was in the past and we go all the way until know together and we live and love a big part in history.
I am a guy from the open source and unix/linux community form the early days on. I love free offers and a finance out of the classic way (what is the cost of a part and how much money I can earn with it). Some companys didnt find the right mix in finance or didnt find the taste of the customer or quality of the product to survive, but some other 'modern' companys are very successful with this way. Most (or all) of this successful companys offers services in internet like etv and were less than 20 years old. All these companys had founders or bosses with a vision and fantasy to go out of the normal way, something that the etv bosses didnt have. Over a lot of years, the etv way was the same and etv had find the taste of the viewers and the quality, but something was missing, to put the finance on more stable stays and now etv had left this way back to a classic finance, one product one price and every people had to pay. Today this was the way to buy a car, a pencil (if someone use this) or other things and in the case of a car its only the half of truth, more and more car pools or leasing is the state of the art to use a car. But the etv bosses would go back to a classic finance, they had no ideas and fantasy. For me this was the way old industry, production like steel and car companys work, but not modern service offering companys. The best example for the modern way is google inc, they had one free product the google search and the finance goes over placing advert and other services and software. Within 18 years google inc was one of the biggest companys in the world, a 54 billion $ comapny. If google inc would stop the free search the company would be immediately dead. This is what etv makes today step for step. Others and me say if etv stopped the transmission of the night show over tv then the company would die, I think that the bosses know this and its the reason for this horrible way today. They drop the quality of the ns step for step and this would be result in a longer die. All this discussion topless only in ns, fulfill wishes good/bad/nothing, that they change their opinion from day to day and that this is a big lost in quality, that they say is not allowed and that this means the bosses dont want this, that there are rules and nobody knows what are the rules for today, is all useless and a waste of time, paper and internet resources. The etv bosses had the right to do that and what they want, they are the kings of etv and they act like kings in the dark age. Things like 'the customer is king' were out of the universe of the bosses. We can discuss, we can make proposals its all for the a..., the bosses nill to hear this. All of use include me had every day the same arguments, every day polish it a little bit and gave it a new colour, but it was the same: In the past it was all better vs I like exclusive, allowed or not vs every one should pay, view on the tv vs view in internet, and so on. What will I do? I would look if I can short my credits to a minimum and than I drink tea and wait what happend. Sometimes I will read her and look into the record and delete them, ignoring the offers from etv to buy cheaper credits. Something would change slow or fast I dont know. If it would be slow and/or in the todays direction, than I think its the end of etv. Then we can search for a new channel and be sad about the good old times on etv. |
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Firstly I thank you Kenny for the effort you put into your response, it was well worded even though I didn't agree with a single bit of it whatsoever
 Based on your review and as you've stated yourself there is nothing of a legal point of view that can't be viewed FTA and the fact that it doesn't do hardcore means that I wouldn't be remotely interested in paying to see exclusives, if you had told me that the models were using sex toys and getting extremely intimate with each other then I could probably see your justification to defend exclusive as these types of shows are no longer permitted on FTA and I see no reason as to why there can't be a demand for a harder show. Secondly if this had been the case and the FTA show continued as before IE - Full nudity and full strips then again this wouldn't be an issue to me or any of the other forum members I'd imagine  but if what you are telling me and based on your reviews it seems to me that you have become gullible into paying into something that frankly in my opinion isn't worth the credits. As you have quite rightly stated Kenny members cannot rubbish the exclusive shows completely until they have seen it themselves, fair point  however based on your reviews and what we all suspected all along the complaints are justified.ETV advertise exclusive to be hardcore and you might gain my interest whilst also maintaining the previous level of eroticism on the main show and you'll get no complaints from me. With regards to the full strips which you'd want to watch well they are all there, check out the Full Show Thread as they are loaded, aswell as the mixed girls Threads and separate models Threads too, you don't have to look far, if you still cannot find one strip worth watching then I shall PM you the link. Thank you
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Scottishbloke wrote:I wonder how soon it'll be before it'll be topless only in exclusive, the watch word is always be very careful for what you wish you, Kenny I will accept part of your answer but it's not exactly your best line of defence even by your standards OK, firstly, what do I wish for, well that's pretty clear from my posts  , I enjoy the exclusive shows, the shows that are a bit more relaxed, sort of nude and a little bit more, but still not turning it into any kind of hardcore show. I must point out that there's a few that seem to take my posts and my words and somehow derive a different sense of what I want, but I'm quite happy to state this myself, any other interpretations are just BS looking to provoke. so, and these are my viewpoints on these latest shows: In the split screen shows on Tuesdays, the only difference is that in the exclusive side, they do nude, and that's it really. It as has already been said, they have taken the Tuesday show, and made part of it into a paid view show, but other than that, its how the show probably was before, topless and nude girls in the studio. the rest of the fusion or splitcam shows, I see them all as the same show. in some there is closer camerawork to parts of the female anatomy, but other than that, its predominately a regular FTA show but limited to topless for free, and the exclusive fee gets you the view of the nude. There's no proper exclusives because of the limitations of the studio.  I haven't seen anything that, in my opinion, cant be shown on legal terms, on the FTA stream, I believe its all down to monetising the free stream better to bring in a common standard of up to topless for free, and anything extra, you have to pay to see. Personally, I don't have a problem with that. You cant have it all for free, I think its unreasonable to expect it, regardless of the historical aspect, but we'll leave that argument for another time ;) as for the current exclusive shows last Fridays show was rather excellent and was certainly nude and a bit more on occasions, and certainly good value. I can say this, as its my opinion, from actually watching the exclusives., I know that there'll be some that disagree, but since they didn't watch, they make their comments without factual or personal knowledge, and so are talking out of somewhere other than their mouth Sorry for being a bit blunt but its like me having a viewpoint and discussing a football match that I haven't even seen The problem is consistency. Last Friday was excellent, the Wednesday Newbies show was good, not up to Fridays standard, but still good and again, in my opinion, good value. but we'll have to wait for Wednesday and Friday to see if the standards are repeated. I hope so. I don't plan to watch any other shows before Sunday. as for what justifies the exclusive costs. The justification is a personal thing. I can watch it and believe the cost is justified but then someone else could also watch and believe that it wasn't justified. We all have our opinions on what is fair to get for free and what is fair to charge for, that's something that we must al decide for ourselves, using our own values of whats worth it and whats not. as for the old videos, ok, see if you can recommend any videos of strips, I'll look at a few and compare them with the requests that I've had performed, and then I'll give you my honest opinion
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I've posted 9 months ago that the moment that full nudity would be restricted to exclusive only, was upon us.
I haven't had much time the last months to see etv, but now that I do, and I see what fta has become, it clearly has happened. the only difference with the dayshow is nude breasts (and an occasional cameltoe or sheer panty they apparently missed to spot sofar and ban). if genson plans to make an overview of 2016 like he did for 2015 (NightShows2015_HotMoments), we can safely predict that if nothing changes, he will have very little to do: 0 seconds worth of video to include. apparently most of 2015 wasn't a total disaster after all, but compared to what etv-fta once was, allready quite a few steps back. I understand someone wants to make money, but they are getting too greedy. how the models can survive the boring daytime is allready beyond me. and when I look back at how some models were very happy to do fn in the night on fta, I wonder how long they will stay and be boring 24/7, while they have to keep saying that you should go to the website for the exclusives. the fta-show is a trainwreck and most models clearly suffer, they are lost and don't know how to get through it. |
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Thank you stig for this true and detailed portrait
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Hi all
Many members has complain and a few ones has defended ETV development during the last year, - let me give my opinion, but first a little about myself. I start watching ETV late 2006 and stopped Oct. 2007 when “the best model ever” Tamara left the channel. For many of you (and me) was that period fantastic, lots of beautiful girls and erotic show for free 7/24. Later I watch Tamara, Jaya, Larissa, Kia. Fanny a.o. in a channel named RedLips, -very poor quality, but lovely girls. It stopped in Sept. 08, when this channel closed Since then I have accidentally zapped to watch ETV, but every time only a short look until I saw Lauren in the summer 2014. I found her fantastic, , good looking, great body, good mood (crazy), and mostly she treated the viewers as grown people, not as 13-14 years boys or idiots. And she seems to have self confidence and was not shy. But I was very surprised, when I also saw Tia, Kia Penelope (bigger?), Sugar and Kiara (false lips and breast – awful). All of them were 7 years older, and less erotic than earlier. And many others girls, who were less erotic than my backdoor. But there were also a few nice girls among them. But Lauren was new for me and she gave me many really good erotic shows in the next months, some for free and some for credits. I send a big thanks to Jonas, Chriss, Maxx and others. Yours wishes gave me and others joy and many hours with lovely Lauren. By the way, I remember another guy (Robert), who sent Tamara lots of messengers during several months. Again and again he asked Tamara to marry him. They did never get married, but ETV earned lots of money. _ But we have all our illusions. For the models this is a job, - a way to earn money, and that’s it. Everything else is a dream. Late in the summer, after in one year having watch ETV when Lauren took part of the show, I decided to stop watching the channel, after having used my credits. I had reached a point where my joy by watching the shows was less than my irritation over bad camerawork, censorship and ETV´s acting. Until then I had used 400 credits, and that must be enough. But I was a tempted idiot and bought 37½ more in October. Now they are gone, all of them to exclusive shows with Lauren, the last ones during Christmas days, - what a disappointment, dark rooms, no passion, bad camerawork and almost the same- . I have also done some calculations. Since I started, 1½ years ago, the price is raised 23% or 15-16% p.a. The inflation in Europe has been about 2%. Has the shows been 13-14% better I the last 1½ Year or what? And that is not all. From this week we have to pay for everything erotic. Looking at 3, 4, 5 or 6 girls sitting or standing are not erotic. It is waste of time. By the way, very early I discovered, that ETV often cut out several parts of the live show before they put it on the internet site. I asked Christina why, and of course, I didn´t get any answer. Since then, I only bought live show and I did always recorded the show (for my own purpose=OK in my country as long as you don´t let others watch it ). If you buy a steak on a restaurant, do you then expect, that the waiter had chew it before you get it? Generally I find, that the shows are become worse and worse during the last 1½ year (except a short period early 2015), - the breaks are longer and longer, more and more commercials and talks and too many models, who don´t seem to like what they are doing. Who can do a prober lesbian show when you at the same time talk with a viewer? I have only watch one prober lesbian show (with passion) in 1½ year (one between Tia and Lauren about a year ago). And every free shows are alike each other. ETV put on rules, nobody understand, not even themselves. A Sunday are catwalk ok, next Monday is it against the rules?? But the viewers seem to accept it, also, that ETV changes the rules from day to day, also that there sometimes can be 3-4 hours between the wish are accepted and the show is given. And why is there always a screen, a lamp or another model between the acting model(s) and the camera half of the show time. I don´t understand why they can´t focus 100% at the show someone has wanted and paid for? Another thing I don´t understand is the ETV Wall. It doesn´t give any sense to avoid criticism. Progress creates by discuss and argument – not by pleasing each other. Never mind, it can only be better, but until then I take a break, perhaps a long one. But I presume that ETV soon will become a 100% pay channel and then get a quiet dead. I feel sorry for those, for whom ETV are the only joy in life – I am lucky to have lots of other things to do Good luck to those, who leave the channel and to whose, who stays, I hope you can afford it, because the price will continue to grow. Sorry for the length of this and for my English, and to whose I have offended: sorry - sorry.. Stig PS: ETV has manages to spoil all good relations to a lot of viewers. And if the few faithful (you know the names) would stop sending wishes some weeks, there will be no shows or ETV would have to change the concept. |
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Slava, I've àlways loved your caps.....at the moment unfortunately caps posting doesn't make sense
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I wonder how soon it'll be before it'll be topless only in exclusive, the watch word is always be very careful for what you wish you, Kenny I will accept part of your answer but it's not exactly your best line of defence even by your standards
What I would however be interested to know Kenny (sorry for the grilling BTW) is because you watch exclusive if you could perhaps give us all a brief description on what exactly its shows do that can't be shown FTA and what exactly justifys the credits for it. The other day you stated that you had a look through the older videos in the archive and said that you didn't find a single one (hard to believe I know) that you liked.Once you have given us a description of the exclusive show I reckon a few of us on this forum could point you in the right direction to a very similar show that was aired FTA in the past which is just as good or if not even better I look forward to your response
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Scottishbloke wrote:kennyboy2012 wrote:or they make more nights proper exclusive nights, which I would like ( hardly a shock there lol ) OK, I'll try and be a bit more clear the FTA used to offer topless and nude for free. So therefore, part of that is topless for free. hence "by compromise, I mean they do part FTA in that the girls do to topless on FTA, (which is part of what they used to do" so the show does partly what the FTA used to do, ie offer topless for free, and the other part of the show is the nude in exclusive. I hope that makes sense, no sweeping statements necessary, just maybe a clearer understanding.
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