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Your post is very good, because you reply giving reasons for your answers.
Just a few people here do this. You have my respect, Joker. Of course, on some things we have different opinions... : D Every company has the problem not all customers are satisfied. It's true, but no serious company never blamed their failures to its customers. Etv however seems to completely miss the sense of self-criticism (at least publicly). As ETV appearantly doesn't change anything with the web shows at the moment they seem to be within their expectations. The latest addition to Etv, the "personal script reserved show" at a cost of 90 € per hour, makes it clear how low can be the economic expectations of ETV, on the web. € 90 per hour: if we remove the cost, they turn into a net profit really low... Everybody can decide himself not to spend any money on that. Everybody in control of himself full mental faculties. You may laugh, but an "incapable" is an incapable: is a person who is not mentally able to decide lucidly for himself. The state of mental incapacity may sometimes also be induced, through false overtures (maybe friendship or even love). In this case the "incapable" is no longer able to understand, by himself, if the price of Porsche or Ferrari is right or not. Can I proceed against them? Only if you are in possession of your full mental faculties. : D |
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cirano wrote:...Well, every company has the problem not all customers are satisfied. If the number of dissatisfied customers is getting too high they have the option to improve the product or to skip it. As ETV appearantly doesn't change anything with the web shows at the moment they seem to be within their expectations. It is also an ETHICAL FAILURE, because their behavior towards more naive customers, is very close to the "circumvention of an incapable" which is considered a crime in European jurisdictions.Good laugh. They offer a service with defined prices. Everybody can decide himself not to spend any money on that. For me a Porsche or a Ferrari is not worth it's price. Can I proceed against them? Regards Joker |
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cirano wrote:I point to the moon and you look at my finger. and how would you call a group of trolls joining their efforts because they cannot accomplish anything by themselves? and still not accomplish anything but be a little annoying 
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I point to the moon and you look at my finger.
: D PS: In the human history, when more people recognize themselves in the same ideas, they define themselves as WE. But, of course, a troll can't knows these human things. I was just waiting for a troll... |
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cirano wrote:Some questions. Some answers. Firstly, I find it fascinating that you can give such authoritative answers for questions directed at 'lucifer70'. It makes me wonder whether there is just one 'we' with multiple personalities. The only 'evidence' I see is of someone desperate to create trouble here. The only 'failure' I see is that of someone unable to present any justification to their statements and thereby have to resort to insults. From you final reply, can I take it that you view pirated copies of the show? And that this gives you some form of exemption from the status of 'customer' since you make no financial contribution? Hmmm ... I can think of other words to describe that behaviour. |
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Some questions. Some answers.
Who is "we" ? @ eigentor We are all those who have been called "the bad guys", of course: the silent majority (not always silent) who doesn't like how etv web stuff is made. You know us (also very well)... : D and why is that evidence of anything? @ Mr_Niceguy I'm sorry, Mr. Niceguy, to bring to your knowledge that one evidence is you. Well, if they squeeze those who want to be squeezed, why is it a failure? @ Joker1305 It is an ECONOMIC FAILURE because, apart from those we're talking about, they have not been able to gain up a large base of regular customers. It is a PROFESSIONAL FAILURE because many of their customers (including myself) did not renew the credits on their accounts and is not satisfied with the quality of the webshows. Remember: no successful business can stand on its customers' dissatisfaction. It is also an ETHICAL FAILURE, because their behavior towards more naive customers, is very close to the "circumvention of an incapable" which is considered a crime in European jurisdictions. By the way, how can you judge the quality of the shows if you aren't customer? @ Joker1305 I'm sure even you have heard of a thing called "the web"... |
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lucifer70 wrote:...Well, if they squeeze those who want to be squeezed, why is it a failure? By the way, how can you judge the quality of the shows if you aren't customer? Regards Joker |
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and why is that evidence of anything?
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lucifer70 wrote:This is the evidence of what we've always said, the web is a total failure...Who is "we" ? |
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outside wrote:Just to have some fun: This is the evidence of what we've always said, the web is a total failure, it only serves to squeeze those who want to be squeezed. No show. No art. No eroticism. No fancy. Only a desperate search for someone to pluck. Regards |
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Just to have some fun:
some time ago I had this discussion with HvB (as it happened many times, this is not the point), featuring Vappiano, about some script he invited me to send ETVShow: [hidden link - please register] now if I wanted to send them a script I would have to pay 90€.
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zxcv wrote: Sorry for putting this out of context, but this reminds me of something. No offense, but this sentence sounds a bit like one of ETV's descriptions of their web shows, like an excuse for not providing anything remotely sexy. Description for tonight's Premium: Actor's training that when set in the right way will provoke a truly erotic show: Excitement, rage, lust, loneliness, joy, jealousy. The body has its own language that doesn't need to be translated. Blah blah blah....lust and joy is sufficient, no need for loneliness, rage, jealousy in an erotic show. IMO there is a good chance for another odd one-hour pantomime theater. Gonna watch anyway, because Mashi is in it. 
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Watcher wrote:My thoughts: The answer would be yes ....There are many viewers who still have many ideas ( and also have the full readiness to pay ) .....which could be executed not only .....for one hour but also for a complete show for five hours . So , to be honest and positive , The initial idea is not bad at all ...to provide a special show built upon your own ideas And there is no problem with the strict bounds which limited the models actions in any kind of erotic shows.....Because eventually , The symbolic level could save such a huge and wide area which in the end will certainly compensate the other unreachable area But the reservations will always existed specially when you deal directly with ETV stuff .... For example ... if I want certain models to perform certain roles ...would this happens ( for sure I won't ask for something which will break the rules or something vulgar ) Will the show stuff follow the script which has been agreed upon from both parties ......or they will do it their way . as the case has always been and provide us with another version of " their Molivian art " As I mentioned above ...the initial idea is not bad at all ....But the reality is different thing .....specially when you talk about ETV stuff , shows and new experiments . |
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hello Is 50 credits the lowest amount to buy Im not Yabadabadooy! Ive used 12 in last 3 weeks so if i dont use my credits in 3 months their gone right?
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verve66 wrote:Hello my first post, I read on the wall of the site Eurotic who want to do the shows has to pay 90 € for a single person do you think of this initiative Firstly, a quote from the ETVshow Wall to set the context: "Simone: Hello, friends of ETV. I wanted to ask if it's possible to see soon a Internet show (from 16:00) with Jessyca or Tara, dressed as sexy secretaries. Thanks, Simone ETV Team's answer: Since you want a special show, we would be glad to make a Premium Hour especially for you, at 16:00. The price for this experiment is 90 euro. You should first tell us what your wishes or requirements are, or a script that you might have. We can discuss it and find the best way to make your show." My thoughts: Could any viewer come up with sufficient ideas, within the current strict bounds, to create an interesting hour long show? Then again, it could be seen as a challenge to all those critics who know how it should be done  .Put your money where your mouth is ... Any takers? ... No, I thought not  .
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