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tux.friend wrote:connell wrote:JKO12 wrote:Germany has no special internet laws, Hungary the sametunturi wrote:The internet is not so different territory. New rules, new laws, new commissions, filters and fines. England filters erotica, China filters everything, Russia frowns on the web, Germany does sth. ?lse, Hungary something different... simply put the google dns in your internet conf and you can open every webpage in all the countries... But etv doesnt like democracy, it's clear! |
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connell wrote:JKO12 wrote:Germany has no special internet laws, Hungary the sametunturi wrote:The internet is not so different territory. New rules, new laws, new commissions, filters and fines. England filters erotica, China filters everything, Russia frowns on the web, Germany does sth. ?lse, Hungary something different... Today I had search for ofcom and I found an interessting thing  Camaron had make an law some year ago, that all providers must install a filter for a lot of things, including erotic. But the most user deactivate the filter. So some providers had less than 5% of users with active filter. |
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tux.friend wrote:tunturi wrote:... i missed it! lol
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tunturi wrote:England's conquest of time etvshow.com Yes, with the new times they will not reach the most of the world outsite europe.  tunturi wrote:... LOL and since last week we had the brexit tunturi wrote:... They are the only company I know that would be glad if they lose their unique selling point
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JKO12 wrote:Germany has no special internet laws, Hungary the sametunturi wrote:The internet is not so different territory. New rules, new laws, new commissions, filters and fines. England filters erotica, China filters everything, Russia frowns on the web, Germany does sth. ?lse, Hungary something different... One of the biggest providers of porn on the internet is Russia even in China you can show what you want if it has nothing to do with politics, freedom or human rights and the pussy is pixelated And the UK laws? I never have read anything that you can not unlock adult stuff, if you are old enough. Quite different from TV, many rules and laws. There are millions of porn perversions in internet, but the only who have problems with rules and laws is "Soft Show ETV", funny
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Slowfox wrote:In my view the only mistake they make is to allow people to write and to give them space to publsih their comments. Your right, but i also never seen any company who told me "unlimited viewing" and deleted the videos i bought then.. |
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In my view the only mistake they make is to allow people to write and to give them space to publsih their comments.
I don't know of any other TV Channel nor Station who does this. |
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Well nothing new, they never listen to any critics and tell in 1 sentence that every customer of them is an idiot who just have to shut his mouth.
We have 2 speakings here: "The customer is king" and "the customer" is always right. Of course they dont have to listen to every opinion, but when the majority tells them, that they changed in a bad way and they wont spend any money in the future, its just dumb and ignorant not to listen to them. They always mark customer as "pervert" that want to see more than a naked breast, they want to change the nature of men, instead of giving the majority what they want. And btw. still no "basement", i dont have much hope that they ever bring this section alive.. |
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tunturi wrote:England's conquest of time etvshow.com Do Tv and internet have same laws??? Are they crazy??? Another ton of molvanian bullshit ... |
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England's conquest of time etvshow.com
Regarding our broadcast on SKY UK Recently we read too many amateur and shallow opinions and instructive tone from wannabe strategists on the subject of what should we do, what will be the end of us and what is our last chance. They tell us what will make us loose money and what will give us profits. This is not something new. These days, everybody is an expert and is pretty generous with giving advice on what we should do and don't do. We don't know what does everyone of our viewers work, but we are assured on a daily basis that all of our clients has a clear idea what we have to do to survive and to prosper, what will “kill” us and what will be good or bad for our business. Everyone likes to interfere in the work of others and to give wise advises. We like aviation, because it is an interesting and tough business. We would like to give a couple of advises to Tim Clark and Carsten Spohr on how to run their business. We would insist on the idea that they have to keep free seats in the economy class and to compensate the loses by the in-flight sale of gifts, perfumes and other merchandise... Leaving the joke aside, our business is one of the fastest developing and turbulent spheres, that make us face many challenges and daily difficulties. The realities of the market are completely different from the ones that were 10 years ago when we started. Everything is so different now that we are in a completely different world. A whole new universe if you'd like. Our survival and development depend on new ways, decisions and a clear understanding of the situation. You are right that our program is probably one of a kind in the European television horizon and not only in Europe. The content and things that we do are unique enough that it is hard to find similar production on the internet. We would be very glad if we find others like us, who do things in a similar way, looking to find a balance between erotics and aesthetics with normal “next door” girls involved in artistic searches beyond the tawdry cliches of the skidding erotic industry. We constantly seek new ways and forms to make what we like the way we like it, while trying to keep our vision and concept. What is the environment that we live in. More and more restrictions from authorities and distributors. Nowadays no one wants to take the risk and dive in to the delicate matter of erotica. Both the distributors and the authorities prefer to take the safe position and forbid everything, so they don't have to worry about us. You say that there are very strict restrictions in UK, but what about the other countries. What can be seen on the TV in Italy? The viewers want more and more hot shows, but does anyone have any idea about the restrictions and attitude of their country towards the things they want to see? People say: “I pay 4 credits and I must get what I need”. At the same time the society not only doesn't accept and respect the people that have to provide the goods, but they are forbidden and almost forced to go to the gray economy. Do you think that the the models and the teams like this kind of attitude? No one cares and no one wants to think about this. Not only that no one cares, but we often hear the phrase “she works for an erotic TV station, she must do what she is told for the money she is given” On the other hand, when we insist on being paid for our work, we get critiques and resentment. “How come I have to pay for something that was for free yesterday.” Times are changing, the economical situation is changing, everything is changing, but no one wants to see the truth. Everyone wants the miracle to continue. Everyone want cheap iPhone, but in order for that to happen somewhere some poor Chinese people have to sit 15 hours a day on the conveyor line. And when or if this changes, we all lament how these phones have become more expensive. We will blame corporate greed and will wave finger threatening that we will not by iPhones and that Apple will go bankrupt. There will even be a person that will calculate how much the plastic and the glass on the phone cost and will say that he has been robbed because the real value of the product is 65 cents. A lot of people started hoping for miracle and for free or cheap things despite every economical or market logic. The television is the first that felt the consequences of this virus. TV is doomed. And we say it not with gloating, but with the clear understanding that this is our business, the thing we work. We are supposed to be the last to accept this, but we have to see it and be prepared for it. We don't want to be in Kodak's place and refuse to accept that the film is a thing from the past. Sky's rules today are the rules of all the European countries tomorrow. If we had our license in Italy, would we be able to show even what is allowed in England? The internet is not so different territory. New rules, new laws, new commissions, filters and fines. England filters erotica, China filters everything, Russia frowns on the web, Germany does sth. ?lse, Hungary something different... You ask us why we decided to expand our market to England having in mind the many restrictions they have. The answer is obvious. Restrictions are everywhere and the only thing we can do is to reach more potential viewers. Luckily our website and the materials on it do not go under the R-18 category. Many of our viewers would argue that we are not even 18 and we are probably even soft for 16. Having said that, and avoiding being categorized as R-18, we have the right to advertise our website on our TV shows on SKY during the night. For now! This gives us hope that our shows will still find their way to the public. This is why we try to keep aesthetic and non-pornographic approach to our work. This is why we work with normal, intelligent girls that are far from the typical sex movie starlets. You speak about a new era on ETV. We wouldn't be so bold. Every day is a new era. How many eras changed in the last ten years... Everything around us changes so fast! Let's not moan for the past and look forward. We don't think that our program will change so drastically. It will probably barely change apart from our ambition to make it more interesting and with better quality. This is our chance and place for development. As much as our viewers accuse us of not being provocative and “hot” enough, you have to give us a credit that we are amongst the few that are left to fight. For better of worse we keep on walking our path and we hope that together it will bring us to new findings and horizons. |
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notice to all : just remember to do not speak for everybody, etv doesnt like it!
From Lounge: "ETV Team: Dear WK, first off, your comments read like you believe you're speaking for everybody. Who died and made you the viewers ambassador?[...]"
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Sorry the post would be a little bit longer
 After disussion here of daniels lounge post "Let's be honest", I read it and I stumble over the last sentence of etvs answer: <<< Please note that we're publishing your remarks even though we think they're mistaken. We're doing this simply because we do want to encourage dialogue and an exchange of opinion. >>> Wow they want an encourage dialoge and exchange of opinion. Is this really etv that only allowed praises? Ok lets start and try the dialog My post to etv lounge: <<< 100% agree with daniels post and sorry for the late answer, so i start a new post. I would not write more to daniel's post, it was perfekt. So let me answer you (etv) and start with remarks from me and answer to some etv remarks form the past. First I understand that erotic is a delicate place and everyone had an other taste. Second you had to stay an a small bridge between too soft shows and hardcore shows. If you go to much to the soft side, the show's got to tame and the viewers lost the interest on the show and to pay. On the other side if you were to hard you got trouble with the law. With these conflicts it is not easy to produce shows and earn money with this. Third some times before you said erotic is not only nude girls. Yes, you had right, but erotic had a lot to do with naked skins, teasing and fantasie. But when everything starts and ends with teasing, than the erotic dies and this is what etv tries in the last time with "we will make art". By the way, if a movie declares the erotic as art, than under the cloak of art it was hardcore. Also too much rules and direction let die the erotic, or had you an script for what happend after the date. Give boundaries for the shows and make this public (reduce voiceover). Let the models do what they want within the wishes and boundaries. In my eyes one simple thing is, to hear what the customers (viewers) want and to had an open dialoge with them. You also said you would have an dialoge, but I miss a place for an open dialoge. You had on the old web site the wall, now the lounge and since some time the conference call. On the wall or the lounge there are only positive feedback allowed. I know this and heard it also from a lot of people. OK, that was your decision to handle it, but this is not an open dialoge. Than the conference call, the viewers should pay for this like a hotline. On this way you said you like to get suggestions from the viewers, on the first look a good idea, but who should pay for suggestions. Normaly companys paid me for the suggestions I gave to them and not I pay for the possibility to make suggestions. You had ways to establish a dialoge with your viewers, but the way you implement and handle it, was not optimal. My wish was to have an open and free channel for discusions. That you make the rules and insults are not allowed is clear. You said: - "The reasons are several and we don't blame the models at all", but a lot of remarks from etv in the past said an other thing and blaime the models. - "We absolutely do not want to get rid of longtime viewers and friends", some days ago, within an answer for videos, you said it absolut contrary. - "Note that we have repeatedly asked for everybody's participation", the easiest way was to read the wishes and the posts, if I don't do this I lost the connection to my customers. - "invited everybody to join us on our way to something new and better", but what is, if this is not the way the customer want? The customer paid and with this he was the king. A lot of companys ignored this and I must not explain what happend with these companys. - "We'd be happy to discuss our new stuff and its development" See above. A lot of viewers would like to do this, but where? - "where the technology is complex and our commitments are tangled and onerous" you don't tell me new things, its my daily job. - "All we can do is ask for patience and understanding, but we feel we're getting that from our long-standing viewers and we're very grateful." Yes, for understanding it needs explanation. Ohh sorry sometimes in the past a small explanation or only what are the rules for the show today (what is allowed and what not) were helpfull. This also would reduces the times for the voiceover in the shows. - "Our outfit can only turn slowly, like a very big ship." That was ok, but try to take the viewers with you on the turn. Today the viewers are more like a small boat on the waves of etv, waiting what the wave will do. "We're doing this simply because we do want to encourage dialogue and an exchange of opinion." I hope that these are not only nice words. The new (old) nightshows are on the right way and why not make some of your tries from the last year, like the makro erotic show, as free tv show? Many regards fjk >>> They dont publish the post but I got an answer from etv: <<< Hello there, Your Lounge letter is too long and offensive with lots of accusation once. We have one request. Please send us your accusations one by one so that we can publish them and open a discussion because at the moment what you send us is too big. We will be happy to resolve the problems one by one. Please, systematize and send us your questions starting from the most important ones. >>> Ok I need some time, but lets start an marathon
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shnaps7 wrote:tux.friend wrote:The nature of people is to do further what they do for a long time ago and they cant release their habbits The hope dies last 
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tux.friend wrote:The nature of people is to do further what they do for a long time ago and they cant release their habbits In no way did not pass this painful propensity to hope. Great minds have purposes, others have desire and habbits.
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askar wrote:Scottishbloke wrote:... The nature of people is to do further what they do for a long time ago and they cant release their habbits Thats also for me and over a long time we had loved eurotic tv / etv and this you dont stop from one day to an other. |
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