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Sorry vector and all the other. I dont understand it. On every other online shop no one would buy something and pay bevor, if he/she didnt know that the shop had a good reputation and a good grade. Etv had a bad quality with the delivery (stream/web site down) and the product himself (accepting wishes, fulfill wishes, light, camera work, ...) sinse round a year. So why buy something from a shop with such a bad grade? A lot of people say we dont buy even more at etv (like me), until the quality of the shows would be better and get a grade like in the past. Everyone knows the grade problems, but he buys more and more and more and after he got the product (or not) he was complaining about the grade. Why? Everyone would know it before. The only answer for such a bad grade is, not to purchase anything.

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GaretJax wrote:Thank you. I didn't know that the production staff were doing that sort of thing to the models. That's wrong in so many ways. If that's definitely happening then someone ought to be fired over it, or at least given a final warning. It probably does negatively affect the shows if models don't feel they can trust the people behind the camera. Beyond that though, it's just wrong in principle.

we all know some people there treat some models even with less respect than the most stupid monkey who insults them by sms, so don´t be surprised about that. They are experts in insulting their own models publicly, blaming them after a bad show, or leaving them alone to defending themselves from shameful offenses on the plasmas. You can wonder why more than 40 models have left ETV in 2015, some of them even before the first 7 days.

I agree the wish for free show is actually the best show ETV makes, but if only join it the same models, then the whole concept wears.It´s not about having a carrousel of models entering the show, but trying new models in the show. Sidra, Trixie and Zoe did it. We all know most of these girls are not shy at all, and this is the show perfect for them. I guess the models are adult enough to know what that show is about and they can decide to join it or not. Anyway, actually ETV has no camera men, so i guess the more susceptible models with the shots can be more relaxed, right?

Because of the savings on camera men and electricity bill, we are enjoying more static, dark, boring and soft shows than weeks before. In my opinion tonight is a good example of that. Totally dark arty (presumably elegant arty-bit fetish show). They have ruined the 2 shows of Lauren with that lamp and that light bulbs all the time on the screen between the cam and the model. And they destroy the night show for making such crap like this. ETV dual quality concept: why to make crap only in tv when we can do it in both plattforms?

I will end with this: maybe the only way of being happy with these kind of shows, so dull, soft and arty, is lowering the standards of demanding, and i fear this is what is happening. There will be the day when a model shows a tit and somebody will say: extraordinary! magnifique! stunning!

GaretJax wrote:

Slowfox wrote:

GaretJax wrote:Again, I can speak only for myself. I do not wish to see any of the models coerced into anything they are unhappy about. My assumption is that the models get a free choice as to whether they are 'hotter' or a little more conservative. I certainly don't want to see any of the models 'pushed' in a direction they don't want to go. I suspect that it wouldn't make for good television. More importantly it would be morally wrong. ETV seem to have a great many faults but I can't believe they would do that to the models.

As you say there are quite a few models who have joined in recent months who seem as though they might be willing to join the cast for Friday exclusives. If, for instance, Tallona and Grace were added to the list of models for this show I would be extremely happy and I wouldn't have thought it would be a horrendous idea for them.

Very well said. Thanks for this very good comment.

That is what it is all about, do not force any of the girls to do something they do not want. Fact is that it happens and happened that camera guys and switch button monkeys are cheating on girls by taking shots they never agree nor agreed to.

This is where ETV should clean up a little as to give those who are willing to do nudity, but not to the very last inch of their body, more confidence in their colleagues. This would make them more relaxed when working with trust rather then always being scared that they will be pictured in a way they do not wish to.

Thank you. I didn't know that the production staff were doing that sort of thing to the models. That's wrong in so many ways. If that's definitely happening then someone ought to be fired over it, or at least given a final warning. It probably does negatively affect the shows if models don't feel they can trust the people behind the camera. Beyond that though, it's just wrong in principle.

I agree with that too, The cameras should only show what the girls are happy to show. But I would say its not black and white, there will always be a bit of a grey area. For example, both the girl and the team will know what she is happy to show without concern, and also what she is absolutely not happy to show, but, purely as an example, if a girls bends over from behind naked, and she's happy for naked but not intimate, at one point does the camera stop showing? What I'm trying to say is that there's no specific point or line sometimes, so the cameraman or director has to make that call at that moment, and sometimes they may show a bit more than the girl intended.

But showing shots that its obvious that she wouldn't want seen, that's wrong and shouldn't happen.

Slowfox wrote:

GaretJax wrote:Again, I can speak only for myself. I do not wish to see any of the models coerced into anything they are unhappy about. My assumption is that the models get a free choice as to whether they are 'hotter' or a little more conservative. I certainly don't want to see any of the models 'pushed' in a direction they don't want to go. I suspect that it wouldn't make for good television. More importantly it would be morally wrong. ETV seem to have a great many faults but I can't believe they would do that to the models.

As you say there are quite a few models who have joined in recent months who seem as though they might be willing to join the cast for Friday exclusives. If, for instance, Tallona and Grace were added to the list of models for this show I would be extremely happy and I wouldn't have thought it would be a horrendous idea for them.

Very well said. Thanks for this very good comment.

That is what it is all about, do not force any of the girls to do something they do not want. Fact is that it happens and happened that camera guys and switch button monkeys are cheating on girls by taking shots they never agree nor agreed to.

This is where ETV should clean up a little as to give those who are willing to do nudity, but not to the very last inch of their body, more confidence in their colleagues. This would make them more relaxed when working with trust rather then always being scared that they will be pictured in a way they do not wish to.

Thank you. I didn't know that the production staff were doing that sort of thing to the models. That's wrong in so many ways. If that's definitely happening then someone ought to be fired over it, or at least given a final warning. It probably does negatively affect the shows if models don't feel they can trust the people behind the camera. Beyond that though, it's just wrong in principle.

ah, yes, it was pretty good . Its hard to tell with Dacota, she'll sometimes readout the request with a happy expression, and sometimes with a look of apathy, but then when she performs the request, she can be tame, or (usuall;y) great , you never know until she does it
Must admit, this was the first request I've sent her since she announced that she kept her panties on, about a month ago I think.

I did think the music was well chosen, 'Heart Asks Pleasure First, from the film The Piano.

Have to add, in the FFW show, she does go a lot further But I think its a standard that the levels of the FFW are reserved for that show, so other shows stay a bit lower.

i was asking if u were satisfied by dakota's performance for u

stegiato wrote:pleased kenny?

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pleased kenny?

kennyboy2012 wrote:I agree, the girls need to be happy to do it. Speaking for myself, then yes, there is a bit of a buzz if a girl appears nervous or unsure BUT if she is genuinely not happy doing something, she should not do it. End of.
I've known some girls act the nervous bit as part of a show, and in those situations, then its good, but again, only when the girl is acting, and in reality, is happy doing what she’s doing.
As an example, I'm not sure about Destiny, she definitely does not want to do nude in the FTA shows, hence I won’t request that again, but in the time she's popped into the FFW shows, she's done nude. Now is she playing coy, is she happy to do it but is held back by ETV, or is she just not happy doing nude, would she be happy once she's done it a bit more?
I don't know, I do know I enjoy seeing her naked, but if she just doesn't want to do it, then she shouldn't. I've actually asked ETV about this, as if it’s the case that she's not happy, then I won’t ask again.

Same applies to the other girls. Fairy as a good example, she gave it a go, and found she wasn’t happy doing it, so ETV did the right things and took her out of that show quite quickly, which I thought was fair and the right thing for Fairy. I know a few thought it wasn't fair to take Kia from the FTA show to cover for her, but for me, the first priority was to look after Fairy and ensure she wasn't put into a situation against her will.

Exactly right. I don't have any problem with an acting job, where a model plays at being a little shy and reserved, coy, shocked etc. That's all fine as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't want to watch a show where I thought a girl was genuinely unhappy.

It is quite hard to judge with some of the models. Destiny, as you say, is hard to read. Marla: is she genuinely shy or not? I don't have any idea. Isadora, I would say not. But then it becomes a matter of whether or not it's solely down to the models or whether they receive orders from ETV. My guess is that it's a mixture. But it is only a guess.

The good thing, from my perspective, is that of late there have been quite a few new arrivals that I really like, such as Kristal, Tallona, Grace and a fair few others. So if some models are shy, conservative, playing games or just following orders it's not a major problem.

GaretJax wrote:

imaginator55 wrote:

GaretJax wrote:

kennyboy2012 wrote:

GaretJax wrote:I also like the idea of a mixing of the models. I for one would be far more likely to watch the show if they were to do this.

so if Tazman can post to the wall, we all need to post support

I'd happily do that. At the moment the Exclusive Wish For Free strikes me as being too restricted in cast. A 'freshening' of the cast would massively improve things. I would think it would also make sense from the perspective of ETV, so hopefully there's a chance of it actually happening.

In the past months we have seen an influx of new girls who appear to be more than happy to lose their shyness (if they ever had such thing) within a relatively short time. Zoe, Sidra, Bunny, Kristal, I think also Yoko, probably even a a few more, can now easily complement the experienced girls in the Friday exclusive. I guess if ETV would be a bit more selective in their hiring, there should be no problem to keep the Friday shows interesting and there is no need to experiment with girls who actually do not fit the concept. I think what Kenny and a few others actually want is to see inexperienced girls suddenly exposed to a situation they actually do not want to be in and to see how they respond to this. I suggest to do such public casting experiments in other exclusive shows and not burden the Friday shows with this. I have nothing against an occasional guest appearance of one of the models from the public show as a surprise, but it should not become the rule.

Again, I can speak only for myself. I do not wish to see any of the models coerced into anything they are unhappy about. My assumption is that the models get a free choice as to whether they are 'hotter' or a little more conservative. I certainly don't want to see any of the models 'pushed' in a direction they don't want to go. I suspect that it wouldn't make for good television. More importantly it would be morally wrong. ETV seem to have a great many faults but I can't believe they would do that to the models.

As you say there are quite a few models who have joined in recent months who seem as though they might be willing to join the cast for Friday exclusives. If, for instance, Tallona and Grace were added to the list of models for this show I would be extremely happy and I wouldn't have thought it would be a horrendous idea for them.

I agree, the girls need to be happy to do it. Speaking for myself, then yes, there is a bit of a buzz if a girl appears nervous or unsure BUT if she is genuinely not happy doing something, she should not do it. End of.
I've known some girls act the nervous bit as part of a show, and in those situations, then its good, but again, only when the girl is acting, and in reality, is happy doing what she’s doing.
As an example, I'm not sure about Destiny, she definitely does not want to do nude in the FTA shows, hence I won’t request that again, but in the time she's popped into the FFW shows, she's done nude. Now is she playing coy, is she happy to do it but is held back by ETV, or is she just not happy doing nude, would she be happy once she's done it a bit more?
I don't know, I do know I enjoy seeing her naked, but if she just doesn't want to do it, then she shouldn't. I've actually asked ETV about this, as if it’s the case that she's not happy, then I won’t ask again.

Same applies to the other girls. Fairy as a good example, she gave it a go, and found she wasn’t happy doing it, so ETV did the right things and took her out of that show quite quickly, which I thought was fair and the right thing for Fairy. I know a few thought it wasn't fair to take Kia from the FTA show to cover for her, but for me, the first priority was to look after Fairy and ensure she wasn't put into a situation against her will.

GaretJax wrote:Again, I can speak only for myself. I do not wish to see any of the models coerced into anything they are unhappy about. My assumption is that the models get a free choice as to whether they are 'hotter' or a little more conservative. I certainly don't want to see any of the models 'pushed' in a direction they don't want to go. I suspect that it wouldn't make for good television. More importantly it would be morally wrong. ETV seem to have a great many faults but I can't believe they would do that to the models.

As you say there are quite a few models who have joined in recent months who seem as though they might be willing to join the cast for Friday exclusives. If, for instance, Tallona and Grace were added to the list of models for this show I would be extremely happy and I wouldn't have thought it would be a horrendous idea for them.

Very well said. Thanks for this very good comment.

That is what it is all about, do not force any of the girls to do something they do not want. Fact is that it happens and happened that camera guys and switch button monkeys are cheating on girls by taking shots they never agree nor agreed to.

This is where ETV should clean up a little as to give those who are willing to do nudity, but not to the very last inch of their body, more confidence in their colleagues. This would make them more relaxed when working with trust rather then always being scared that they will be pictured in a way they do not wish to.

imaginator55 wrote:

GaretJax wrote:

kennyboy2012 wrote:

GaretJax wrote:I also like the idea of a mixing of the models. I for one would be far more likely to watch the show if they were to do this.

so if Tazman can post to the wall, we all need to post support

I'd happily do that. At the moment the Exclusive Wish For Free strikes me as being too restricted in cast. A 'freshening' of the cast would massively improve things. I would think it would also make sense from the perspective of ETV, so hopefully there's a chance of it actually happening.

In the past months we have seen an influx of new girls who appear to be more than happy to lose their shyness (if they ever had such thing) within a relatively short time. Zoe, Sidra, Bunny, Kristal, I think also Yoko, probably even a a few more, can now easily complement the experienced girls in the Friday exclusive. I guess if ETV would be a bit more selective in their hiring, there should be no problem to keep the Friday shows interesting and there is no need to experiment with girls who actually do not fit the concept. I think what Kenny and a few others actually want is to see inexperienced girls suddenly exposed to a situation they actually do not want to be in and to see how they respond to this. I suggest to do such public casting experiments in other exclusive shows and not burden the Friday shows with this. I have nothing against an occasional guest appearance of one of the models from the public show as a surprise, but it should not become the rule.

Again, I can speak only for myself. I do not wish to see any of the models coerced into anything they are unhappy about. My assumption is that the models get a free choice as to whether they are 'hotter' or a little more conservative. I certainly don't want to see any of the models 'pushed' in a direction they don't want to go. I suspect that it wouldn't make for good television. More importantly it would be morally wrong. ETV seem to have a great many faults but I can't believe they would do that to the models.

As you say there are quite a few models who have joined in recent months who seem as though they might be willing to join the cast for Friday exclusives. If, for instance, Tallona and Grace were added to the list of models for this show I would be extremely happy and I wouldn't have thought it would be a horrendous idea for them.