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I couldn't see Jessycas Webshow on Sunday with Naomi ans Angelina. What did she do? Would be nice if someone could tell me.

vappiano68 wrote:I didn't want to make a disquisition about the term "prostitute" for the girls.
But if we want to analyze correctly the term "prostitution", we can see that it's closer to prostitution to make 1 hour show, calling it "reserved" for a single customer (indipendently from the hotness of the show) and ...

I have said this already in the past when a certain group wanted to introduce the word brothel and I will repeat it again:
this calling the models prostitutes is NOT welcome in this forum as we read it as an insult.

if we use [hidden link - please register] for a definition of prostitution we'll find usually the term sexual services while the the reserved hour at etv is about a phonecall and no need for a sexual act. most of you have reserved in your life e.g. a tennis court or a car and I doubt that you have tried to fuck it.
so don't continue to mix this and stop this prostitution shit!

this is an advice of the forum moderators

lucifer70 wrote:

rotate13 wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:If customers would pay after seeing the show ... well I think that ETV would earn even less than now!

why should you bother about Etvt earnings, I will be more satisfied if they put on their website how much a model gets for a watcher. e.g. for a show of 2 cr a model gets 1. Then you know that your money goes to your favorite model. I have this feeling the models been exploited. And my argument is the recent Premium Hour scheme when 1 model does 3 Premiums in a row. No Artist in the word will do this except in cases "models" have been forced to do bounded by a contract or been told and threaten if they don't do it they gonna be sacked or loose the job.
This is my feeling about Etv current web scheme.

I'm sorry but the point of the speech is not what the models earn, but how ETV gains with these ridiculously naive show.

All over the world, before you taste, and then you buy!
On ETV no, you pay before and then you can eat. Too bad that there is nothing to taste!
It's obvious that some models do many consecutive Premium shows, they simply haven't others models able to attract the attention of customers, they tried and they failed!

I imagine three in a row Premium hours Eliza.It can be prescribed as a potent sleeping pill (taken three times a day).

rotate13 wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:If customers would pay after seeing the show ... well I think that ETV would earn even less than now!

why should you bother about Etvt earnings, I will be more satisfied if they put on their website how much a model gets for a watcher. e.g. for a show of 2 cr a model gets 1. Then you know that your money goes to your favorite model. I have this feeling the models been exploited. And my argument is the recent Premium Hour scheme when 1 model does 3 Premiums in a row. No Artist in the word will do this except in cases "models" have been forced to do bounded by a contract or been told and threaten if they don't do it they gonna be sacked or loose the job.
This is my feeling about Etv current web scheme.

I'm sorry but the point of the speech is not what the models earn, but how ETV gains with these ridiculously naive show.

All over the world, before you taste, and then you buy!
On ETV no, you pay before and then you can eat. Too bad that there is nothing to taste!
It's obvious that some models do many consecutive Premium shows, they simply haven't others models able to attract the attention of customers, they tried and they failed!

fcn2011 wrote:I found one postive thing about the new situation this week.

As now i know nothing or less will happen on the the webshows, i dont have to watch it. Very positive.

really a pitty you decided this way, as I will miss your opinion in here about the premium and exclusive shows as you do not watch them anymore

slow

I found one postive thing about the new situation this week.

As now i know nothing or less will happen on the the webshows, i dont have to watch it. Very positive.

eigentor wrote:

outside wrote:And that's the bottom line.

In my opinion nightshows are suffering because of a lack of hotmodels, when there is a good cast it can still be great. Sadly there is no variety because some girls obviously try to avoid the nightshows or wouldn´t do anything to begin with.

Hi Eigentor!
How can't you see that every kind of action has been banned from the nightshow?
And the human resources, hijacked in order to promote webshows?

eigentor wrote:

outside wrote:And that's the bottom line.

others try to suggest it´s something close to prostitution (even though nothing happens).

I didn't want to make a disquisition about the term "prostitute" for the girls.
But if we want to analyze correctly the term "prostitution", we can see that it's closer to prostitution to make 1 hour show, calling it "reserved" for a single customer (indipendently from the hotness of the show) and making these shows not fta but watchable through protected streams, rather than what Jaya and friends performed 6 years ago (there was a paying caller, but the show was not called "reserved" for payers and it was fta, so the term prostitution was completely inappropriate, because everybody could enjoy the show, even without paying a cent or making presents, like today.

No one talks about this pornchannel from the past which not a lot have known.

We are talking about the censorship in paid Shows and in the Internet. And if we stop to complain, then we all are really brainwashed.

How can i accept this self censorship in Premiumshows? We paid 4 credits for them and the cam is everywhere in the studio. If they dont wanna show the private parts, so the models dont have to undress and then they can show the glasses or the water on the floor, but if a models is fully naked and they show a stool, then this is pathetic and a bad joke.

Have a nice week altogether.

WILSONSAND wrote:...
Other guys who loved ETV since a long time ago wants better show and complaints, because don´t like how they are destroying the channel they loved, and all is respectable, and without complaining, there wouldn´t discussion, and without discussion, this forum could be directly ETV fans club, and some guys don´t want it. Some guys would like to see better shows, better models behaviour...it´s normal and i would dare to say....necessary.

You are right.
But I agree to slow, because I (also) don't like this aggressive style some people complaining here all the time. If ETV offers something new, they come immediately out of their holes and flood this thread with complaints. They want have back a channel which no longer exist for years, but they are still here? Sorry, this don't get in my mind. The times of INXTC style are gone, it's finally time to accept it.
I agree there is a lot of improvement necessary at ETV, but not everything is bad. And a healthy discussion should include negative AND positive things! But lately we have only a fight of haters against so called fanboys.
I'm bored!

WILSONSAND wrote:@Slow, you are happy with ETv and you think it´s service is perfect for you, ok.

Other guys who loved ETV since a long time ago wants better show and complaints, because don´t like how they are destroying the channel they loved, and all is respectable, and without complaining, there wouldn´t discussion, and without discussion, this forum could be directly ETV fans club, and some guys don´t want it. Some guys would like to see better shows, better models behaviour...it´s normal and i would dare to say....necessary.

a decent and fair discussion is absolutely fine and the least I would not support.

but personal insults do not get us anywhere. Same goes for simply saying things are bad and a stream of messages with the same complaints day in, day out.

believe me, I gave ETV my opinion about the webshows and they even got a reply for their new reservation system as they asked my opinion for that. to make it short my opinion is not really positive and I do agree to some things I read in some of the messages below, and which are basically in line with what I replied to them.

slow

@Slow, you are happy with ETv and you think it´s service is perfect for you, ok.

Other guys who loved ETV since a long time ago wants better show and complaints, because don´t like how they are destroying the channel they loved, and all is respectable, and without complaining, there wouldn´t discussion, and without discussion, this forum could be directly ETV fans club, and some guys don´t want it. Some guys would like to see better shows, better models behaviour...it´s normal and i would dare to say....necessary.

jesus christ, don't you guys have a normal life ?

is it really so important who pays how much to whom and why ? and what is his individual motivation ?

what I see here is only some frustrated and unhappy guys simply complaining as complaining is the only thing left in their lives and apparently the only thing that makes them happy.

want to see boobs and pussy go somewhere else for gods sake and stop blabbering senseless bullshit.

don't we all just want to have some fun, one or the other way ? is it abosulutely necessary to judge about everything and everybody and insult their privacy and analyze this ?

I do what I do, because I want to do and I can do. you have a probem with that ? I say 'shove it...' and can't care less.

respect in here seems to be the weakest point amongst the members, viewers, consultants, smart-arses or however you want to name yourself.

I tried to be fair all the way through, but am finally fed up with all this stupid ranting and sable and chain rattling

you lost me, but assume you can't care less

have a happy complaining life

slow

eigentor wrote:

outside wrote:And that's the bottom line.

No, it´s not.

I must admit the huge difference between calling/messaging a girl in a els and in a tv-show escapes me.
What borders should be crossed there, even in a reserved show? Whats bad about a present when it buys you nothing?
The models WORKING at ETV live from calls and messages.
ETV is a company so making profits is essential (propably also with shares from the costs of the presents).

I personally don´t like the webshows, so I don´t watch them, period. If other people like it, whats wrong with it?
I even had hopes that there would be more models because of more shows and therefore a bigger variety in the nightshows, which unfortunately didn´t happen.
In my opinion nightshows are suffering because of a lack of hotmodels, when there is a good cast it can still be great. Sadly there is no variety because some girls obviously try to avoid the nightshows or wouldn´t do anything to begin with.

Anyway, some here complain that nothing happens in the els-shows or reserved shows, others try to suggest it´s something close to prostitution (even though nothing happens). Obviously everybody has his own opinions what a webshow should look like, except those who campaign to bring the webproject down no matter if it was good or bad.

Of couse it is.

Of course I have an idea about webshows, and I wrote that in public and directly in private to you many times.
Webshows could work as a kind of ETV 2, of course for free. Just put some telephone advertising, the same they put on TV screen (that are the main incoming source for ETV, so that's why they cannot leave the TV, at least until they could cover sat costs).

But they preferred to pluck chickens customers they already had, instead of getting new ones, because they aren't able to.
They had the same format since 2004.
The only change they did was soft models introduction in 2007 (some of them are still working there, as Joanna and Zia).

What's bad in a present, you say? Just (apart from the concept itself) 10x price.
A company's reason is to make profit, you say.
Of course, but honestly. Do you think is this honest?

Webshows are the current core business, do you remember "first class" issue?
So they spoiled TV shows, even with (former) top stars as Tia (whose main activity is popping balloons).
I assume now even schedules heve been filled thinking first at ELS-Premium-Reserved shows.
TV shows are just a shop case for webshows, think about all girls at webstudio in the evening to advertise premium hour.
And what about Sabrina exclusive for webshows? And what about Gia's 5 hours?
And what about Williams sisters steadly in nightshows?
This has a name, as I already wrote many times, assets misappropriaton.
So have you really to wonder if webshows are good or bad?

But of course I am a negative fanboy and I am under permanent campaign.

fcn2011 wrote:

Mr White wrote:Issue is very simple, they destroy all expectations created with the WEB Project, due to attitude of some models and management towards Customers.
Seems very difficult to get the confidence back, unless they totally change the actual ELS and PREMIUM Shows.
Maybe going back to initial idea with shows as the ones Performed by Amy are the only chance.

But where will you find a model like Amy and Scarlet who act like them?

I see only Izabella and Milla in this class but with the stupid self censorship you will not see shows like from Amy again...

You are 100 % right, not easy to find them, and what is worse is the influence from some "soft" models to the ones that ever cosider to do something, just see what happend with Roshana since her PREMIUM with Ava and what hapend yesterday with Angelina in her show with Naomy and Jessica.
I guess some models simply are not prepared for INTERNET Shows.

outside wrote:And that's the bottom line.

No, it´s not.

I must admit the huge difference between calling/messaging a girl in a els and in a tv-show escapes me.
What borders should be crossed there, even in a reserved show? Whats bad about a present when it buys you nothing?
The models WORKING at ETV live from calls and messages.
ETV is a company so making profits is essential (propably also with shares from the costs of the presents).

I personally don´t like the webshows, so I don´t watch them, period. If other people like it, whats wrong with it?
I even had hopes that there would be more models because of more shows and therefore a bigger variety in the nightshows, which unfortunately didn´t happen.
In my opinion nightshows are suffering because of a lack of hotmodels, when there is a good cast it can still be great. Sadly there is no variety because some girls obviously try to avoid the nightshows or wouldn´t do anything to begin with.

Anyway, some here complain that nothing happens in the els-shows or reserved shows, others try to suggest it´s something close to prostitution (even though nothing happens). Obviously everybody has his own opinions what a webshow should look like, except those who campaign to bring the webproject down no matter if it was good or bad.