Eurotic's website & webstream

albentlee wrote:I got the newest ver of flash, i also try to use diff browser .. the problem is the stream of TV show is working fine but the ex is no ?

Well, the exclusive stream uses adaptive bitrate streaming, so if the HQ TV stream runs smoothly, the exclusive stream should propably work good too.

Anyway, detect your bandwidth at speedtest.net.
I'm not an expert, but I'd estimate that a download below 3 Mbps could eventually be a problem.

space6969 wrote:

albentlee wrote:Guy I am really tired form the stream of Ex shows .. it is horrible working for few sec then frozen !!! any solution ?

No freezes here for some months, so I can just recommend that you should check if you got the newest version of Flash Player (11.5.502.146) and right click
the stream and reduce local storage.
Run "speedtest.net" and post the result here.
Assuming you got sufficient bandwidth (> 2 Mbps) and sufficient hardware you could also try newest versions of different browsers (Firefox, Chrome) and close
all applications that could use bandwidth.

I got the newest ver of flash, i also try to use diff browser .. the problem is the stream of TV show is working fine but the ex is no ?

albentlee wrote:Guy I am really tired form the stream of Ex shows .. it is horrible working for few sec then frozen !!! any solution ?

No freezes here for some months, so I can just recommend that you should check if you got the newest version of Flash Player (11.5.502.146) and right click
the stream and reduce local storage.
Run "speedtest.net" and post the result here.
Assuming you got sufficient bandwidth (> 2 Mbps) and sufficient hardware you could also try newest versions of different browsers (Firefox, Chrome) and close
all applications that could use bandwidth.

Guy I am really tired form the stream of Ex shows .. it is horrible working for few sec then frozen !!! any solution ?

asoert wrote:hi did evah ever been topless in els or been fully naked in els ? thanks

topless @home and fully naked feet @ELS.

hi did evah ever been topless in els or been fully naked in els ? thanks

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Pity it is in italian, anyway it's subtitled, very useful to get definitely how they work.
And very useful to get finally that the only word that fits them is italian and it is written on my avatar.
Enjoy.

There were months when I write my disapproval of the ELS ..... you should know that Tarl .... I see that someone is changing idea .... for me to close the webshow .....

wow, what is going on here ?

a few of the last posts here are interesting reading. I might add, somewhat long winded but a few good points made.

makes a pleasant change from the bickering, in fighting and my attitude and opinion are better than any one else's.

pepers wrote:And sorry for my bothering of some notorious admirers here, but after reading the never ending etv wall praising bullshits and also after some comments here ala Dreamlander (nothing against you), I think it's the highest time to write also the opposite opinions and finally some other truths about the qualities of the shows.

No problem.If I like something,then I usually say so,but not always.A positive comment in this thread is usually met with incredulous distain from the same few members.If I was to write somethng negative,then the same few members would just use it as a stick to beat ETV with and an endorsement of their 'crusade',so I rarely do.What happens in a Premium show is never my driving force for paying to view it,the girl appearing is,you know,that real human being on the other side of the screen.
I know enough about ETV to realise that they will always do their own thing and have their own ideas about what needs to be changed or improved to get more people to purchase the shows,even if they sometimes ask for our ideas.
The negativity present on this forum has hardly ever influenced anything that happens at ETV and this will never change.The constant complaining,rightly or wrongly,has no noticeable effect on ETV's output,it never has.This forum seemingly magnifies it's own importance in the day-to-day influencng of ETV,most similar forums do.You only have to look at the many and varied SMS onscreen to see how few of them are members here,from experience and reading so few similar comments here,that the vast majority of it's income is made from people not connected with this forum.All this is without knowing the callers either,again,very few of whom mention they do so here on a regular basis.
So,yes,make a considered comment,a biased positive comment,a nasty divisive comment,a lie masquerading as truth,whatever you want,it is an entirely self serving or peer pleasing activity that probably makes you,me and others feel like we are influencing something for a brief period of time,but we are not.We will,of course,continue to do so,each from our own (not so hidden) agendas to,again,reinforce our own personal importance here but that is all it is doing,nothing more.
The male sex drive is very forgiving and almost exclusively will not take no for an answer when it wants something.ETV and similar operations know this,which makes it very difficult for them to fail,no matter how 'badly' some members think they are doing things.

Dreamlander

I think the idea of getting some experience in front of the webcam and so feeling more comfortable with being naked in front of a cam can be successful. we have seen this several times with some models in the past and maybe the best example is Mashiara and the web shower shows in the past. she has become a different night show model with changing from warm to hot after these webshows although nobody can prove that the experience of being naked in the web shows was needed for this. so lets just assume it was helpful for her and now she's probably one of the best etv model for fta and web shows. and I think it's the same for other models, too.
Maybe it was true for some sides (I could add Kristina and Alexis), but their final goal has always to rip off from tv to give web. It has been the same target since 2007, I don't know if you were already member when brokingbull discovered on their old site (it was in spring if I remember correct, pity old archive isn't online anymore) they were going to launch the "VIP room", a room where girls would move from TV studio to get some very hot action. That feature was hidden in their site but the url was reachable only looking at root directory (some kind of force browsing).
Their goal has always been "first class" vs "economic", and I think ETVShow customers are even brainwashed from customer care (let's not forget they come from a former USSR influence country) about how magnificent is taking part of some wonderful world (dreamland).
They also told the webshows goal was to do something in daytime, but they often did premium shows in direct competition with nightshow, this is named even in "marketing for dummies" cannibalization. In few words, slices sizes changes, but cake size is always the same, rather cake size has decreased, since webshows policy make it perceived as bad and the countinuous asset misappropriations make TV show poorer and poorer.



so stay away from etv web shows, it's simply not their business and with the usual no effort of etv it will never become a good web shows business
This sentence has to be put in the header.

it seems that they even support the habit of some models and their different styles of shows for fta and web
It's exactly what is happening, new models were given extra money to act only at webshows, to pluck credits as more as possible.
Just talking about our old issue concerning "core business".
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But this won't wash away the sins from the models. As I have already pointed many times, they only want honors, without any charges.
Luckily there were some exceptions, April for example. And she's Alice's best friend, two faces of the same medal.

does really any model believe that the caps and vids of the web shows aren't shared in the decade of the internet?
As I already pointed many times, this is the funniest part of the story.

BTW I am happy that someone from the staff has taken a stand about that, sounding quite better from someone else's thoughts (little money), even though there are some people (and some forums) that have been telling such things since a year and half (and they did the same in 2010, naming etvgirls.com as it deserved, in the same was as Liveshow.me and ETVShow).
I am sure your boss would click on "like" button.

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Chris26 wrote:

Mr_Niceguy wrote:a long list

answers to the long list

Maybe as you said these girls will sooner or later show what they show on the Internet, nobody can foresee the future, but for all of them, speaking about myself, the surprise is already less than zero and I'd never spend money to send wishes to them as I know it'd be better spent on their premiums.

I cannot answer about what was shown on the web by model XY and I can hardly answer what was shown by a model fta but I wanna add something to this, too.

I think the idea of getting some experience in front of the webcam and so feeling more comfortable with being naked in front of a cam can be successful. we have seen this several times with some models in the past and maybe the best example is Mashiara and the web shower shows in the past. she has become a different night show model with changing from warm to hot after these webshows although nobody can prove that the experience of being naked in the web shows was needed for this. so lets just assume it was helpful for her and now she's probably one of the best etv model for fta and web shows. and I think it's the same for other models, too.

the difference between this example from the past and several current models is a story with 2 story lines. it's in the first plot the company and it's bosses (or more likely the other staff who must do the work of the bosses when they are too lazy for working). in the past they were running the fta shows and testing in the webshows and later they used the test results of the web for the fta shows which means some web ideas were used for fta and some models got some experiences with being (more or less) naked in front of the cam. in the end some models were added to night shows and we've seen more nudity of certain models than before (not successful for all of course, I think e.g. Brona was in all webshows as boring as in the fta shows nowadays). in the sum we can say the bosses were using the webshows in a helpful way and they showed a kind of reaction or review or activity in the past. nowadays they show their interest in doing their job in the laziest way and in making some money and in "I don't care about etv." at the moment I don't seen an interest to improve the night shows or to use the experience of some web show only models in a way that could be helpful for the fta shows. it seems that they even support the habit of some models and their different styles of shows for fta and web.

and so we are at the second plot: the models.
it seems that we got since a certain time a different kind of model at etv. we've had always models who did their very best for the viewers and models who did only what they wanted. this mix in a certain ratio is for sure interesting and successful, too. but probably only if the ego-models are in the minority. and I think that's the big problem nowadays (the biggest problem was, is and will always be the lazy studio boss and his trainee while some "problem" models and the staff behind the cam are still fighting for the second place). it seems that the class of 2012 or 2013 isn't the pure gold for the majority of the viewers (if we assume that the forum presents a kind of viewers profile). so either the way of casting is "not very" successful since Randa quit this job or the the kind of "support" that the new models get from the bosses or staff isn't as it should be or the models/ girls/ women nowadays are simply different to the past (every society and it's style is changing and maybe nowadays faster than some/ a few years ago and also the being of etv is more public in the city and state of Molvania than just a few years ago). various reasons we could think about no chance to get a correct answer.

thus I'll ask only about the profit or reasons to concentrate on web shows only. and that's a question for the bosses, the staff (I'm sure it's also today allowed to have an idea or a concept for a night show or to use some things for decoration) and the models, too.
of course are web shows easier and cheaper made. you need less models, often no camera staff nor director, as it seems also no heater in the studio and only a small server (of course a bigger and faster one would be nice ;)). so maybe the spent money is earnt with only a few paying viewers.
but nonetheless they must pay the fee for 2 satellites, they must pay for the building and all the general and administrative costs, they must pay for the complete staff in e.g. the offices that is needed to keep both, the fta and the web shows running and also the models want some money and maybe the bosses sometimes a new couch with all that is needed to make such a couch more comfortable .
no need to calculate these costs to realise that the earnt money from the web shows is by far for sure not enough to keep etv alive.

so why do the bosses don't care for fta? of course we know that they don't care a lot for etv in general but since some time it seems that they don't care completely for anything except their personal interests.

and so the same for the staff.
some time a go a kind of little big bang happened at etv and the result were some changes in the staff. I guess the idea was to improve the quality of etv. nowadays I must say they failed with this idea. if the idea was to infect all the staff with the bosses guideline "I don't care for anything" so I must confirm that they were quite successful.

and at the end of the row we find the models.
I don't know the right phrase for "Ein Pferd springt nur so hoch wie es muss." (maybe some (e.g. bellerophon) could add this) and I don't want to judge about all models with one sentence. the bosses do nothing, the staff does not more than needed, so why should every model do as much as possible. I'm sure all or most of us would act at least sometimes the same way. but what's the idea of different shows on fta and on web? does really any model believe that the caps and vids of the web shows aren't shared in the decade of the internet? does a model really earn so much more money with a few web viewers that this small amount of money is worth to be naked in front of a (web) cam but not fta? is it really so difficult to do a good fta show and to attract some viewers to send a VIP or to call a model in the night show?

afaik do VIPs in the fta shows still bring some money and these VIPs can be send from everyone (or at least most countries) without getting an account, sending some money first and logging in on a website. so if a viewer is attracted by a fta show it's easier to take the phone and send a VIP or call a model while most or many customers think WTF when they must register for a web show (of course my thought only).
so the money in the fta shows was, is and will always be the easy & fast money.
but I doubt that etv thinks the same.


additional some general comments about tits & pussy channels and web shows in special and general:
nowadays offer most channels additional web shows and none of these web shows seems to be the pure pleasure or success. e.g. SexySat (probably) gave up this idea very soon (maybe because of missing callers and technical problems (what a surprise at SexySat )). the german BS24 didn't start the complete idea (because someone must do something and be active (BS24 is even worse than etv in this)). the (former???) leader of the british babeshows Studio 66 (the former Elite.TV) offers webshows but these shows are often made @home (thus the name ) and so the stream quality is often bad and the quality of these shows are variable in all ways. so lets add the leader of webcam show, mfc to this discussion.
at etv we see for some credits (as I've read below up to 12 credits which is ~ 18 euros iirc, so nearly the same as standing for 3 hours at -5 °C and getting 5 from Dortmund ) hot fta models being hot on web, too, we see fta nuns (who aren't stupid and will never get naked in front of the cam ;)) that become strippers on the web, we see daytime models naked on the web and we see models as Brona who get their sleep in fta and the web on cam. so we see hot (the hot fta models), naked (the nuns & only daytime models) and boring (older daytime models).
on Studio 66 we see hot models doing harcore stuff and daytime models between a short toples and pussy spread into cam and the costs for the hot or nude shows (the kind of next level for every model compared to the fta shows) are often at some hundred pounds in total (I'm no expert in it, just the datas I've heart). all nudity is for logged viewers afaik.
on mfc we get all kinds of nudity and some kinds of porn (e.g. fisting or golden showers aren't allowed) and the money range is from free (for not members and not tippers) up to TruePrivates (iirc 80 tokens/min with 10 tokens = 1 $) although a TruePrivate isn't a guarantee to see more than the underwear of model. so all between a dressed model and a kind of women gangbang for free up to 50.000 - 100.000 tokens in total is possible.

this means for etv, the models and the shows:
the etv web shows are for sure not the hottest but between the cheapest for viewers.
everyone who really want's to see some hotter stuff should accept that he must pay some money or pray for a free show at a professional webcam site and should avoid any service of etv. maybe etv is fine for some soft shows or some talking but I must add that also at mfc are some quite nice and friendly women (and for me also more attractive). at professional webcam sides you'll get all for every mood (your mood) and often also for free while you'll get at the erotic channels and their add on web show often only 1 model and mostly not for free.
so stay away from etv web shows, it's simply not their business and with the usual no effort of etv it will never become a good web shows business.

PS: probably I've lost sometimes the plot and also the logic as it took some hours and steps to write this but maybe some will read it and maybe 1 or 2 will get what I wanted to say.
PPS: please don't ask my boss what I've done this morning.

asoert wrote:did jade made topless and fully naked in premium show?

Of course.

Dreamlander

Chris26 wrote:As a final note, I notice that there are always the same 6-7 people giving high fives to each other and supporting themselves while writing exactly the same things. The funny thing is that they accuse other people of repeating the same stuff over and over. Well, let me say, about ETV and some models, I happened to change my mind several times as it is normal for a person. But some of you are 200% stuck on your positions, in that nothing is wrong with the channel, everything has always been perfect and couldn't be improved in any way, and all the complainers are just people with no life. Given that it is not strange sometimes to be in disagreement also with best friends, I find it... peculiar that you are always the ones "repeating the same stuff over and over". At this point, you can't blame me for thinking that your "opinions" (not opinions as they can't change and don't change) are completely biased or that there must be something behind. You keep blaming everyone else because that's very convenient, for sure.

A very eloquenty written and intelligent post that holds many good points.

This last piece however drew my special attention, cause it seems a bit like a bold statement. Can you back it up?

I for one feel it is very important everybody has the right to complain as there is a lot to justly complain about. The same right everybody should have to see it differently and say they disagree. I think it is clear for everybody even somebody who has totally enjoyed himself should be able to express this. To me it often seems like a small band of people is denying others the right to express their joy. Do I see this wrong?

I also have trouble about the way the complaints are formulated. I think a complaint should be balanced, respectfull and aiming for improvement. Most complaints I see are destructive, disrespectfull and one sided. To explain I borrowed this post from Genya which is in my opinon very good. yet full of criticism, but balanced and respectfull. I am not saying I agree or disagree, I didn't even see this nightshow.

genya wrote:The last nightshow was not to good. It was not horrible, but not great. I'll try to explain what I mean ( but my English is really crap ). 2 almost hot models ( take off panties, but not showing pussy ) - Spirit and Penelope, 2 not quite soft models ( take off bra ) - Anna and Ashley, 3 soft models - Annabelle and Karry and Sunny. If you look at the ETV, you know, it will not be hot enough. Do not misunderstand, i like Peny, Spirit, Anna and Sunny to ( but this is a almost soft cast ).
The camera is trying to show something beautiful, and succeeded ( I think ). Just look at the pictures.
The first problem was that night, the models ( I think ). Maybe i am a pervert, but I would like to see tits with nipple ( no handbra, no hairbra, no any other bra ), nude bottoms and pussys. The second problem was the viewers/customers. I have not seen too many erotic wishes. Theoretically, this is an interactive erotic broadcasts. If the Model is not requested, is probably not going to do anything ( i think ). And i know the ETV is not to righteous in his viewers/costumers ( unfortunately ).

I hope I did not hurt anyone, my intention was not that. But it's just not a very smart guy's opinion.
( Do not be angry because of my English, and a lot of pictures. )

Well first I am going to rep somebody

I also feel sometimes personally attacked by responses to my posts and this makes me respond in a more or less similar way. Should I not have that right?

did jade made topless and fully naked in premium show?