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lucifer70 wrote:not models enough.
not models enough quite able to make a good show.
not ideas enough to do an erotic show.
not willingness enough to make a decent show.
not customers enough.

web show is a failure ... but we already knew for a long time.

From my understanding main issues are:
Lack of models motivation to do both ELS and PS and frustration from viewers that step by step no longer interested in same kind of shows with basic same script, the only thing that change is the stage decoration……if any.
I think script girl and/or director for these shows already did everything she could, by the way most of times based on “Sad Stories” and girls punishing each other.
I guess erotic should be fun not drama, and should be sexy and camera work should get the best part of every model and the actual one is just minded about not to cross the “limits”.
In this regard I think models willing to show something else, but …..as many of them already said
“ if I do that I will lose my Job”.
Difficult time for WEB shows unless they drastically change.

With and without "Mimi and the others" shows, the fact is Mimi is doing (today another 3) 12 shows in 7 days, too much!!!

not models enough.
not models enough quite able to make a good show.
not ideas enough to do an erotic show.
not willingness enough to make a decent show.
not customers enough.

web show is a failure ... but we already knew for a long time.

What a boring series of ELS this weekend and the whole week (exception made with Mashi and Irra ) Actually only a few models can make them watchable. They noticed they should improve them, they tried and failed, and now most of them are even worse than before. As long as there are 4 days full of ELS (12) maybe there should be some of them interesting in terms of show, but seing the schedule, i think only Irra will do it. ETV has given up trying to make them a show not even schedulling girls willing to do it?

JohnGuitar wrote:I don't understand why there are people who as soon as ended
an ES or PH show, they write in ETV - WALL praises and
expressions of warm approval or admiration of those shows, even
if they are shit for the rubbish bin.
What's more, those people are used to be the same fellows
around the clock.
Sorry Mates it's my own opinion with all due respect.
JohnGuitar

The vast majority of the comments posted are from messages sent during the show.The few that have a name in blue preceeding them are sent afterwards.Generally then,the comments posted during the show are from fans of the girls so will be of a positive nature as the poster would normally know what to expect from the show and wanted to see the star of the show anyway,whatever they were doing or whether somebody who isn't a fan would have liked it or not.
I would assume that nobody would purchase a show featuring girls they do not like based purely on the show theme or premise garnered from the few minutes of teaser before the show they broadcast on the TV channel.So,unlike maybe a music album or film at the cinema where there are a higher percentage of 'cold' customers,the customer buying the Premium show is generally pre-disposed to liking the show and the bias will be towards positive comments.That's not to say that sometimes a fan doesn't like the show but why would anybody post that on their website.They could read the comment off-air and maybe take the criticism on board but to post it for everyone to see does not make good business sense.
I have sent and have had posted many positive comments,again,of girls I am a fan of so I fit the model I described above.The only negative messages I have sent are when the shows have been ruined by the presence of 'cancer sticks',which I detest! None of these have ever been posted but at least they have,hopefully,been read by somebody there,as I guess every comment is.Posting only the positive comments is perfectly understandable and shouldn't be surprising or confusing to anyone really when you consider indirect,self-promotion is a valuable tool to any business.

Dreamlander

Slowfox wrote:well, I do not know if ETV writes such comments themselves, out of curiosity from where is this info ?

anyway, if any of the viewers feels tempted to write a positive comment, either direct or later after the show I see nothing wrong with that as it is reflecting their opinion.

And if a show is good or bad (or shit and for the bin) is always in the eye of the beholder.

Usually good comments are basically not related to the show and its contents but to the girls participating. So I believe a e.g. Scarlet fan, provided she would still be there, would always praise her shows, regardless whether good or bad, same goes for a Mashiara fan and a Mashiara show ... and so on.

And comment is comment either at the ETV wall or here in this forum,

True, but from my personal experince I know that they are censoring (shortening) messages that contain positive and negative parts, so I think it's
appropriate to assume that they simply only release positive remarks.
Which is not prohibited, of course, but a little more honesty and transparency wouldn't hurt.
Nobody is buying their "Everything's great and we are the world class creators of erotic art"-attitude anymore anyway.

lucifer70 wrote:

JohnGuitar wrote:I don't understand why there are people who as soon as ended
an ES or PH show, they write in ETV - WALL praises and
expressions of warm approval or admiration of those shows, even
if they are shit for the rubbish bin.
What's more, those people are used to be the same fellows
around the clock.
Sorry Mates it's my own opinion with all due respect.
JohnGuitar

Usually, exspressions of warm approval are written directly by molvanians.

well, I do not know if ETV writes such comments themselves, out of curiosity from where is this info ?

anyway, if any of the viewers feels tempted to write a positive comment, either direct or later after the show I see nothing wrong with that as it is reflecting their opinion.

And if a show is good or bad (or shit and for the bin) is always in the eye of the beholder.

Usually good comments are basically not related to the show and its contents but to the girls participating. So I believe a e.g. Scarlet fan, provided she would still be there, would always praise her shows, regardless whether good or bad, same goes for a Mashiara fan and a Mashiara show ... and so on.

And comment is comment either at the ETV wall or here in this forum,

JohnGuitar wrote:I don't understand why there are people who as soon as ended
an ES or PH show, they write in ETV - WALL praises and
expressions of warm approval or admiration of those shows, even
if they are shit for the rubbish bin.
What's more, those people are used to be the same fellows
around the clock.
Sorry Mates it's my own opinion with all due respect.
JohnGuitar

Usually, exspressions of warm approval are written directly by molvanians.

I don't understand why there are people who as soon as ended
an ES or PH show, they write in ETV - WALL praises and
expressions of warm approval or admiration of those shows, even
if they are shit for the rubbish bin.
What's more, those people are used to be the same fellows
around the clock.
Sorry Mates it's my own opinion with all due respect.
JohnGuitar

Just some words about the Premium Show of M&M: it was obvious that Mashi was master of the ceremony and Mimi her playground - but as far as interaction and erotic 'choreography' is concerned, Mimi did a big step into the right direction.
Still a long way to go but with a partner like Mashiara or Tara she seems to feel pretty comfortable - will be interesting to see her with Tia or Elmar - unfortunately her erotical education is expensive (not for her but for the viewers)

For start they should furfill wishes people ask for in regular tv shows. They get quite a lot but in past 2 years they lost many viewers because of being so passive in studio. And NS is only 4 hours, they could get so much more cash inside for the rest of the day, dayshows used to have some erotic tone, now they dont do anything; and actually they stop with NS in the middle of the night, which is cruel. And you are right about some viewers becoming members and paying for first time on web. I am one of them. And they do WEB shows now with some phenomenal girls, for NS they send in usual infantry hehe. Every night the same. Nightshows suffer a lot because of web shows, which bring 3-6 euros per person, when for one SMS vip you pay 10 which is cheating at it best. Lately they are improving little by little with quality of shows, but they need more girls to be succesful in both fronts, regular TV and web. Television shows suffer big and in open letter recently they admitted it.

zxcv wrote:...

The web shows which had and still has a very limited numbers of the customers .....
or the other free TV shows which still have the advantages to be watched from a wide and huge huge range of viewers who could easily be turned out into active customers !

The holy approach " The calls "...... could easily be replaced in ETV world ....But if only they really want to change it ....The biggest evidence for this is the .....the web shows which basically had and still have no calls .

OK, but the Premium shows cost credits and ELS again calls and messages.
I don't say it's impossible to find another way, but I don't know it.

Regards
Joker

Joker1305 wrote:Again: How should they do it? They do that erotic stuff to attract callers and SMS writers, not to make thousands of free viewers happy.
Without the calls and SMS they need a completely different approach.
Maybe there is one, but I don't know.

Regards
Joker

How did the web shows which essentially depends on no calls at all have been somehow successful ......They even succeeded in turning out some old viewers into an active paying customers ...for the first time ever .

Now I wonder what's more difficult to be promoted in such new ways away from the calls ....

The web shows which had and still has a very limited base of the customers .....
or the other free TV shows which still have the advantages to be watched from a wide and huge huge base of viewers who could easily be turned out into active customers !

The holy approach " The calls "...... could easily be replaced in ETV world ....But if only they really want to change it ....The biggest evidence for this is the .....the web shows which basically had and still have no calls .

Watcher wrote:I am sure that 'Wilsonsand' will be eternally grateful for your intervention ...
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You never know, he may actually thank you at some point

Thanks for the mention but don't bother, go back guarding your bridge.

hi guys whoever is watching the premium of Mimi and Maschiara plz give us some feedback both positive and negative of course.
Regards