Eurotic's website & webstream

logic wrote:

kolokotronis wrote:I think that web project will be another etv.gold program with few fan boys , and models lovers. I dont think that made this web show for that isnt it?.

As far as I remember they started with the web shows as a kind of bonus for Gold members and to attract new ones, shortly after they started this Gold system. The premiums came later, as they realized that it can bring some additional money (I think). And I'm sorry to say, but "fan boys" and "model lovers" are the main target for ETV for a long time. Explicitness is a little bonus we get if we have luck, but ETV is definitely not the right channel for people who are looking primarily for that.

Sorry for picking out just one point but I mostly agree with you on the other points.
On this point too, but the web schedules are telling me that they are going more and more in the direction of aiming at fan boys and model lovers.
For example Ju and Evah are getting much ELS time lately.
Good for the fan boys and model lovers, not good for the common fellow who wants to see some kind of erotic show.
I just hope ETV webshows are not becoming a fan boy - model meeting place only in the future.

hi guys did anyone watch the premium show of Brona and Evah.If yes what can be expected there?Did both get at least topless or handbra(something like that).Because in the details they contradict themselves.They say that they dont get completely naked on the other hand they say that both showed much more than their dayshows.Thank u for any information?Regards

Slowfox wrote:nobody knows for sure, but for the sake of it let's do some maths

say 2 girls are in the premium hour, who - and this is to make it simple - are busy for one hour each on the phone in an fta show, both would receive, say, some 4 vip sms. that would be a total of 152 credits, calls plus sms.

to make up for 152 credits you need some 38 viewers for a premium hour with 2 girls @ a price of 4 credits per show.

am not an expert with this, as said, but I believe to interest a minimum of 38 viewers all over europe is quite an easy task.

You really think premium shows have 38 viewers on an average ?
My estimation would be much lower.

Slowfox wrote:the show mentioned by 'space' was 'The Love Triangle' show with Mashiara, Kristina & Tia from Dec. 13th last year.

after complaints of the viewers to release the recorded video in the video section, they first put a bunch of 124 pictures at 0,5 credits per photo. prior the video was finally released. I doubt it was a financial failure.

Yeah, it was "The Love Triangle" and Nighthawk commented on the wall as following:
"One thing at last to you, ETV-team, about the non-opened video. I can understand your dissapointment about the few number of viewers of the "Love-Triangle". Otherwise I would like to point you out of the members they wanted to watch it but had no time."

ETV must have expressed their dissapointment about few viewers of the premium show earlier, propably in the "news" section.
Don't know how many videos and pictures they sold, but the live show was obviously a financial failure and it was the first (and propably only) time they admitted it.

it is a few days, I see a TERRIBLE streaming on Etv website, continously blocked, both in the live channel and in videos.

I dont understand why. I always did all updates, i'll ever seen the streaming and videos well, and I see very well all others videos and streamings on web.

someone has the same problem?

kolokotronis wrote:You cant compare different things.

I mentioned several ETV projects and compared only their fail or not fail.

kolokotronis wrote:And yes is big failure because the most of internet viewers understood ,what does etv. And what is that? Fake viewers and try to make money for nothing.

What are fake viewers?
And money for nothing isn't really true, because even if you maybe didn't liked a premium show, you get usually more show than for a VIP sms at TV for the same price.

kolokotronis wrote:There is another reason why believe that this project die. They begin to make hotter night shows.

Fortunately, yes! I can only speculate about the reasons. But I guess, because of the decreasing of sms/calls in the last month on TV. I think it has nothing to do with the web shows or will have an influence to it.

kolokotronis wrote:I think that web project will be another etv.gold program with few fan boys , and models lovers. I dont think that made this web show for that isnt it?.

As far as I remember they started with the web shows as a kind of bonus for Gold members and to attract new ones, shortly after they started this Gold system. The premiums came later, as they realized that it can bring some additional money (I think). And I'm sorry to say, but "fan boys" and "model lovers" are the main target for ETV for a long time. Explicitness is a little bonus we get if we have luck, but ETV is definitely not the right channel for people who are looking primarily for that.

kolokotronis wrote:Until now they try everything and after little time they change it How many improved exclusive shows you remember ? They cant find a concept after one year because they change names of shows but they dont change content of shows.

I think their concept for the web shows is to have fun and to make a little bit money in addition. And I think it isn't such bad that they try so many things, this keep it interesting. For sure better than a static TV studio and almost no changes in the night casts. I'm also not a big fan of these "art shows", but it seems they have members who like it.

kolokotronis wrote:This web project has not future with censoring shows, and i think it is normal because there arent enough people who will pay to see softer action from fta programs.

But softer action without disturbing calls/VIPs or switches to another model. Nevertheless I admit, the often used censorship made by camera switches is frustrating, at least if the model showed in her ELS everything. Afaik it's because of their rules, but in the ELS is usually nobody there to control the model.
But as same as in the FTA shows now, they could also make the web shows hotter if their income decreases. I don't think they would let it die.

logic wrote:I would say it's much more simple to explain:

What happened with...

liveshow.me?......it stayed for some time and then ETV stopped it.....conclusion: It was probably a (financial) failure.
Studio Berlin?.....it stayed only for some weeks.......obviously a failure too.

The actually ETV web project exist now for more than one year and there are no hints that they will stop it........so it can't be a failure! At least not for ETV.


I can understand, that some (or a lot of) people don't like the web shows.....I'm also not happy with all of it....but to call it a "failure" is imho not suitable.

You cant compare different things. And yes is big failure because the most of internet viewers understood ,what does etv. And what is that? Fake viewers and try to make money for nothing. There is another reason why believe that this project die. They begin to make hotter night shows. I think that web project will be another etv.gold program with few fan boys , and models lovers. I dont think that made this web show for that isnt it?. Until now they try everything and after little time they change it How many improved exclusive shows you remember ? They cant find a concept after one year because they change names of shows but they dont change content of shows. This web project has not future with censoring shows, and i think it is normal because there arent enough people who will pay to see softer action from fta programs.

My goodness, for God's sake can someone please explain me
what does mean and what it's aim: MOVIE PREMIERE?
Sorry for my ignorance, but I need some elucidation.
Thank you for any help.
JohnGuitar

I would say it's much more simple to explain:

What happened with...

liveshow.me?......it stayed for some time and then ETV stopped it.....conclusion: It was probably a (financial) failure.
Studio Berlin?.....it stayed only for some weeks.......obviously a failure too.

The actually ETV web project exist now for more than one year and there are no hints that they will stop it........so it can't be a failure! At least not for ETV.


I can understand, that some (or a lot of) people don't like the web shows.....I'm also not happy with all of it....but to call it a "failure" is imho not suitable.

nobody knows for sure, but for the sake of it let's do some maths

say 2 girls are in the premium hour, who - and this is to make it simple - are busy for one hour each on the phone in an fta show, both would receive, say, some 4 vip sms. that would be a total of 152 credits, calls plus sms.

to make up for 152 credits you need some 38 viewers for a premium hour with 2 girls @ a price of 4 credits per show.

am not an expert with this, as said, but I believe to interest a minimum of 38 viewers all over europe is quite an easy task.

the show mentioned by 'space' was 'The Love Triangle' show with Mashiara, Kristina & Tia from Dec. 13th last year.

after complaints of the viewers to release the recorded video in the video section, they first put a bunch of 124 pictures at 0,5 credits per photo. prior the video was finally released. I doubt it was a financial failure.

Some months ago, maybe even 2012, don't remember, there was a post on the wall (by ETV) about a premium show that they wouldn't release
in the video section.
The reason given was very few live viewers of the show, so in their eyes there wasn't sufficient interest in the show to release it on video.

I think the models were Mashi and Kristina (not sure though).
So, if a show with premium models has few viewers, I don't think a lineup like for example Mimi and Elmar attracts many more.

IMO that's a clue that the average number of viewers of premium shows is, to put it mildly, not very high.
Profit of premiums is only based upon the number of viewers, so that makes me think premiums overall failed financially.
I think........I don't know for sure, it's just an opinion based on estimation.

ELSs are a totally different thing. If the model has callers most of the time and some messages come in I can imagine this could
be a financial success on a low level.

Speculations, speculations....I can only guess the expenses and the revenues but most likely the same goes for the guys who think
everything is a big success.

Slowfox wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:not models enough.
not models enough quite able to make a good show.
not ideas enough to do an erotic show.
not willingness enough to make a decent show.
not customers enough.

web show is a failure ... but we already knew for a long time.

since WE knew that for a long time, wonder why this info has not been given to US all.

Again I ask from where that info or knowledge is.

anyway, as the web shows continue, I personally do not believe, they are a commercial failure. In case of a break even result this is still good enough.

Hi, friend!
First, everyone is free to throw away their money as he wants;
Second, if you read all the comments about the web show you'll discover that the positive ones are very few;
Third, the shows on the web are a failure and I don't say this, but the molvani themselves with their garage sale prices, or does anyone think that if the shows really had much success the molvani, always hungry for money, would continue to sell them for two Dimes? Or anyone thinks that if web was really a success we could continue to watch at Roshana on FTA? They would have locked her on the web bound hand and foot with chains!
Fourth, if the premium is so successful, why they would risk losing so much money giving up to the shows for 4 days?
Fifth, ETV lives thanks to FTA and to phone calls that are, and they'll be, its core business. Roshana, for example, in a NS earns much more than Elmar, Mimi and Tara bring in cash in a whole week of Premium.

This info are available to anyone.
Regard

this show have not regie or cam only stuppid programm , the girls are hot only the crew is very boring ! all nightshows better as the premiumshows

the big problem in pls (for me)...regia and camera...

Slowfox wrote:

lucifer70 wrote:not models enough.
not models enough quite able to make a good show.
not ideas enough to do an erotic show.
not willingness enough to make a decent show.
not customers enough.

web show is a failure ... but we already knew for a long time.

since WE knew that for a long time, wonder why this info has not been given to US all.

Again I ask from where that info or knowledge is.

anyway, as the web shows continue, I personally do not believe, they are a commercial failure. In case of a break even result this is still good enough.

yip, my guess is, it's doing pretty well for a failure

It is anyway to my knowledge the longest lasting webexperiment ETV has done.

lucifer70 wrote:not models enough.
not models enough quite able to make a good show.
not ideas enough to do an erotic show.
not willingness enough to make a decent show.
not customers enough.

web show is a failure ... but we already knew for a long time.

since WE knew that for a long time, wonder why this info has not been given to US all.

Again I ask from where that info or knowledge is.

anyway, as the web shows continue, I personally do not believe, they are a commercial failure. In case of a break even result this is still good enough.