Last night's show

Italianfan wrote:Last night's show will be in my personal "Top Three" for "Best shows of 2014"
This "New Models Shows" really works, specially with Lauren, also White made a great performance
Also the "Oil Shows" were much more hot than usual
I think this show is perfect to make the girls express their skills, it's clear that there is the right atmosphere and the girls are having fun
all the time, I hope to see soon Kelly & Leila too in it and, why not, also Molly
This time Etv deserves my compliments, well done, Etv

Top Three? Maybe right for 2014, but only because most other shows have been so terribly bad, so a decent show like yesterday can shine in the darkness.

It surely was a step forward, Suzy and White were great in my opinion, Melanie and Lauren were good, even the light was a little bit better but some things I didnt like at all:

Dakota was almost invisible once again, ignored by the staff even in the few moments when she was active. For example: her shower show was stopped after about 2 minutes, right after that the new "Star" Lauren was in the shower for at least 10 minutes, at the end she even lost her motiviation, but they still stood with her. Hmmm . . . making stars agan? That never really worked, but they dont learn it . . .

Sharlette spoiled the whole show for me, she appeared at almost every scene, no matter if she was asked to with the SMS (mostly not). Sorry, but she is a total turnoff in my eyes

And then once again, as ever, that typical ridiculous phobia ass . . . will they ever overcome it again? Every time a naked ass only comes near to the focus of a camera, the cameraguy fades away in total panic, if he is not fast enough, the regie makes the hard cut, even to a empty wall if necessary.

Some years ago I spent a lot of money while watching this channel, and I did it with pleasure. But since they are so totally focused on censorship they get no cent from me anymore, it is not worth it . . . not even lasts nights show, even it was one of the "better" ones lately. Still to boring and to soft . . WAY TO SOFT ! ! ! Maybe they have their (legal) reasons, but it doesnt help it and I dont care at all, the result is a product I dont want to pay for. Maybe it could change again in future, but my hopes are small, so I dont expect to be a happy and paying costumer again soon.

Last night's show will be in my personal "Top Three" for "Best shows of 2014"
This "New Models Shows" really works, specially with Lauren, also White made a great performance
Also the "Oil Shows" were much more hot than usual
I think this show is perfect to make the girls express their skills, it's clear that there is the right atmosphere and the girls are having fun
all the time, I hope to see soon Kelly & Leila too in it and, why not, also Molly
This time Etv deserves my compliments, well done, Etv

Hi Tarl-Cabot -- and we've known that too for years -- it's no use complaning. But back to last nights show. Enjoyed it very much. Lots of creative views of the happy looking team of models who worked well together. Well produced too I thought. Great stuff. And Nancy looks 'fuller figured' than I remember. Don't like to see too many ribs on a girl ha ha

glassy wrote:Hi again Hilbert. I was viewing your example photos on a phone earlier so wasn't sure what I was looking for. Having now seen them bigger I see there is a quality issue between the shots. The settings on the two cameras would not introduce so much of a quality swing. It could just be that one camera is newer and of better quality than the other. The lens quality will affect the sharpness too. Your camera is only as good as your lens they say. Now they are showing Eurotic in HD for the premium shows it may well be that they were using their HD enabled camera during the show which would be broadcast at Eurotics normal broadcast quality. It would not be HD but it should provide sharper video than their regular cameras. They are not cheap to buy so it may be a while before the whole camera set up is changed to HD. I think we've covered everything now ha ha. Hope your well n healthy. Bye for now - Glassy.

sorry but this camera problem is meanwhile some years old.
since several years etv uses a lighter and a darker camera as you can see at the caps of the etv models page.
so no need to wait for a new camera because of the HD stream. it's etv, they won't change anything or won't correct any hardware, software of settings.

Hilbert's caps or the caps Wilson posted some weeks ago are between the better caps. some weeks ago they've used during the daytime shows nearly all colours of a rainbow and they switched between 4:3 and 16:9 during the shows.
that shows were worth to complain. complaining about the posted scenes is the same as complaining about the e in etv. nothing that will be changed anyway at etv.

Hi again Hilbert. I was viewing your example photos on a phone earlier so wasn't sure what I was looking for. Having now seen them bigger I see there is a quality issue between the shots. The settings on the two cameras would not introduce so much of a quality swing. It could just be that one camera is newer and of better quality than the other. The lens quality will affect the sharpness too. Your camera is only as good as your lens they say. Now they are showing Eurotic in HD for the premium shows it may well be that they were using their HD enabled camera during the show which would be broadcast at Eurotics normal broadcast quality. It would not be HD but it should provide sharper video than their regular cameras. They are not cheap to buy so it may be a while before the whole camera set up is changed to HD. I think we've covered everything now ha ha. Hope your well n healthy. Bye for now - Glassy.

Hi Hilbert thanks for your post. It doesn't matter if each camera has different specs. It's the focal length of the lens attached to the camera which alters the perspective of the subject being filmed. In a studio taking still portrait shots of a model for say a magazine-most photographers would opt for a 100 mm lens for say a head and shoulders shot. Or if they have a zoom
lens which covers 70-200 mm they would set it to 100mm also. If you take the same head and shoulder shot with a standard 50 mm lens you would have to stand much closer to the model to get the frame filled to replicate the 100mm shot. If you compare them side by side they have what is called a different perspective and they do not look the same. Trust me on this. In Eurotics situation where the customers want the best possible view of the action then handheld close up is better than distance zoom in and out. Yes large zooms have their uses to get into the action without intimidating a new model etc. If you can- watch the first couple of hours of last nights show where there was extensive use of good close up handheld and trolley mounted tripod mounts close to and around the models. Later on they reverted back to more distant camera work using their zooms more to get in close to the subject. The first couple of hours were so much better than the later part regarding views of the models.
If you can try it yourself or know someone with camera gear--take two photos as described at the start of my post. Yes they will both fill the frame but where the 100mm is ideal for portrait work -- the 50 mm would be better for Eurotics type of work. The closer you get to a model with a standard lens tends to start making the models nose larger and their face more rounded where the 100mm lens leaves the models features more flat and natural. You can see this effect when models want to make their boobs look bigger. They use a wider angle lens and go close which makes their boobs swell towards the camera. Again--altering the perspective. Yes zooms have their place but give me the views they produced last night with close up cams any day ha ha. Hope this explains my point.

jonas wrote:Sorry, my fault! So the shows really depend on directors, operators, video mixers!

... as the requirements of the girls are really insignificant

Sorry, my fault! So the shows really depend on directors, operators, video mixers!

jonas wrote:

glassy wrote:Well well-- what a difference a day makes. Much better produced show last night. Great close up varied camera work made you feel you were in among the girls. Everything was so much tighter with the trolley cams moving around close to the girls instead of just being lined in a row zooming in and out far away from the action. Even the heli cam in the roof wasn't so far up in the clouds. Most frames were filled by at least two or three girls eliminating those vast empty areas of studio on show the previous night. Great stuff and a vast improvement. Just keep it tight- keep it close and fill that frame. I hope others can see the difference from a shot which is zoomed in from far away and a shot taken from closer with a handheld. They both may show the models face and breasts but the perspective is so much better from the closer camera. Lets hope this style continues. Well done.

Yes, that`s correct, and it is an example how great is the difference in quality, engagement and qualification between the directors and camera teams.
I think that this sunday nightshow is always directed by the model Karolina, and I often could praise her shows.

Hmm, maybe my calendar is out of sync, but wasn't last night the saturday night show?

glassy wrote:Well well-- what a difference a day makes. Much better produced show last night. Great close up varied camera work made you feel you were in among the girls. Everything was so much tighter with the trolley cams moving around close to the girls instead of just being lined in a row zooming in and out far away from the action. Even the heli cam in the roof wasn't so far up in the clouds. Most frames were filled by at least two or three girls eliminating those vast empty areas of studio on show the previous night. Great stuff and a vast improvement. Just keep it tight- keep it close and fill that frame. I hope others can see the difference from a shot which is zoomed in from far away and a shot taken from closer with a handheld. They both may show the models face and breasts but the perspective is so much better from the closer camera. Lets hope this style continues. Well done.

Yes, that`s correct, and it is an example how great is the difference in quality, engagement and qualification between the directors and camera teams.
I think that this Sunday nightshows are always directed by the model Karolina, and I often could praise her shows.
And another reason: In the Friday and Saturday nightshows are 8 models in the studio and a lot of wishes from the viewers. This is too much! So the models have no place and no time to perform in a good way. I prefer the Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday nightshows with only 6 models and less wishes from the viewers.

Well well-- what a difference a day makes. Much better produced show last night. Great close up varied camera work made you feel you were in among the girls. Everything was so much tighter with the trolley cams moving around close to the girls instead of just being lined in a row zooming in and out far away from the action. Even the heli cam in the roof wasn't so far up in the clouds. Most frames were filled by at least two or three girls eliminating those vast empty areas of studio on show the previous night. Great stuff and a vast improvement. Just keep it tight- keep it close and fill that frame. I hope others can see the difference from a shot which is zoomed in from far away and a shot taken from closer with a handheld. They both may show the models face and breasts but the perspective is so much better from the closer camera. Lets hope this style continues. Well done.

glassy wrote:Have not watched Eurotic for a while. Decided to watch last nights offering to see if there had been any improvements. It was a waste of time. Last nights offering was a technical disaster and a shambles. After all these years of producing shows they still have the knack of either eliminating or spoiling any sense of sexiness or eroticism from a show. They have lost their way and find it impossible to convey any atmosphere in a show. Everything is so cold and far away now. Very little hand held close up work and repeated panoramic views of the studio from the ceiling all combine to kill a show. No more cameras gliding up and down the models as they lay on a bed or couch. No more following oil as it runs down a models body and dissappears into her pants leaving the viewer to use their imagination. No more cream shows 'Lilian style'. The art of teasing has been lost but not by the models- but by the camera team and vision mixing. How many times do you see Kia or Penelope for example pulling sexy poses in the background and being ignored by the production crew. Or if they are shown it is from a distant highly zoomed in camera which does not give the same visual perspective as a close up handheld.
A lot of this is to do with the 16-9 widescreen format which Eurotic are stuck with now. Look at the shots feom high up in the studio--a little group of models in the centre of the screen with a vast area of empty studio either side. Sexy ? Erotic ? No. The only time you now get decent views of the models is when they are laying longways on a couch. How many times do you see a model bending down to smile or wave to their caller so they can see their faces. Because so much of the studio is now on show it has nearly killed the ability of having close up handheld camera work without the operator being in the picture. Its time to get back to the more intimate style of show with the close up cameras moving around more static posing models rather than zooming in to a group of models jumping around like kids in a playground. It used to be so easy-now it seems so hard to adapt. And stop filming 'sharon stone' scenes from the side- it's stupid !!

I full agree with glassy!
Only one example:
At about 22th August 23.30h Roshana performed a mirror strip show lasting totally 3.30min. In 2.00min the camera showed the whole studio with Roshana and mirror in the background, there were only 1.30min with special close-up views to Roshana and the mirror, nearly all of these close-up scenes at the beginning of her strip! This should be a nightshow of an erotic channel?
Such behaviour of the camera team destroys the sense of a "mirrorshow"! In a mirrorshow the camera should give a close simultaneous view to the model and her mirror picture. But such scenes now are totally seldom in etv-shows!
It was not only a fault of the camera team,but also a fault of the Regie (Josef): If the mirror is standing directly behind a bed occupied with other models like in this nightshow, the camera cannot work in the way it should do!

Have not watched Eurotic for a while. Decided to watch last nights offering to see if there had been any improvements. It was a waste of time. Last nights offering was a technical disaster and a shambles. After all these years of producing shows they still have the knack of either eliminating or spoiling any sense of sexiness or eroticism from a show. They have lost their way and find it impossible to convey any atmosphere in a show. Everything is so cold and far away now. Very little hand held close up work and repeated panoramic views of the studio from the ceiling all combine to kill a show. No more cameras gliding up and down the models as they lay on a bed or couch. No more following oil as it runs down a models body and dissappears into her pants leaving the viewer to use their imagination. No more cream shows 'Lilian style'. The art of teasing has been lost but not by the models- but by the camera team and vision mixing. How many times do you see Kia or Penelope for example pulling sexy poses in the background and being ignored by the production crew. Or if they are shown it is from a distant highly zoomed in camera which does not give the same visual perspective as a close up handheld.
A lot of this is to do with the 16-9 widescreen format which Eurotic are stuck with now. Look at the shots feom high up in the studio--a little group of models in the centre of the screen with a vast area of empty studio either side. Sexy ? Erotic ? No. The only time you now get decent views of the models is when they are laying longways on a couch. How many times do you see a model bending down to smile or wave to their caller so they can see their faces. Because so much of the studio is now on show it has nearly killed the ability of having close up handheld camera work without the operator being in the picture. Its time to get back to the more intimate style of show with the close up cameras moving around more static posing models rather than zooming in to a group of models jumping around like kids in a playground. It used to be so easy-now it seems so hard to adapt. And stop filming 'sharon stone' scenes from the side- it's stupid !!

Very, very confused during last night's photo and the night show in combination, did not quite work.

Whether it's a bad time to drink a show last night, liquor release, censorship is not.