Project to renew ETV

Good suggestions vappiano68!

ETV will never change the concept of the live shows. The manager, directors, moderators and camera mans are mental un normal.

In **** is much differently.

@ DB :

Dear DB , I've read your comment and your
" Always listen to Momma ", posted in another section
of the forum,

First of all I am grateful to you because
your posts reveal an intelligent person,
who knows what he says and the matter he is speaking about.
I'm happy you exposed your comments in
a very polite way.

You're right , you probably know much more of the way
the tv works than I ever will.

Maybe in my job the market has some rules,
while TV works in a completely different way.

If you have some time I would to tell you something
about how I have to work.
I'm an engineer.
In my job I have to take care about 2 types of feedback:

1) Earnings.

When a Company starts a new activity or a new product
is put on the market there are only costs for the company
( research, development , raw materials ,....... )

The Company starts to earn after covering:

a) all initial costs
b) all actual costs

Earnings are a certain type of feedback of medium term.
in fact they are a measure of :

I) Sell prices
II) Number of buyers
III) Total Costs

A company can increase earnings operating on the
previuos 3 points.

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2) Feedback regarding product quality.

This type of feedback is of primary importance
for the long term for the Company.
In fact the Company has to pay attention
to the problems found in their product by consumers
and technicians.

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A Company could pay attention only to the first
category of feedback.
They can decide, for example , to cut costs without
taking care of the resulting quality of the product.
This will have an effect of a parable with
downwards concavity on the earnings of the Company :

1) At first the earnings begins to grew, because
the costs are much lower and the number of buyers is
still high, because people haven't yet verified
the lowered quality of the product, or simply
because, until that moment, that was the only
Company to sell that particular product.

2) The earnings become stable when ,even if
the costs are lower, the number of buyers
begins to decline.

3) When many buyers have verified the lowered quality
of the product and are no more disposed to spend money
for a bad product, or when another Company offers
a better product, earnings roll down !

The result : This Company, which takes care only
about earnings and not take care
about quality reported by consumers
and technicians, has a first
period of glory and thinks to be
on the right way to make a lot of money.

I can tell you that Company
will have a bad end !

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Dear DB,
you know how TV works much better than me
and maybe you know that in TV things go in another way.

The only thing led me to make my " proposal "
was the fact I think ETV is on the same road
of the Company of my example, having the idea
of cutting costs broadcasting liveshows that have nothing Erotic
only because they think to have enough earnings
also in this way, broadcastig every minute.

I could have said a right thing or not,
but my goal was only to share my ideas with
the forum members.
I consider them my friends and I never had the
idea of mocking them !

Who thinks I'm mocking someone has understood nothing !

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Bye

hey vappiano68

Do you read that?????? Now you will believe that ETV give a damn about you!!!!!!!

Indeed a very good post of DB !!!  Thumbs Up !!!

Kind Regards

"Shaky"

Yep, great post.

I specially like the last sentence:

"It would place it in a more earlier grave than is planned."

which displays an insight on how these channels work which is way beyond that of most other contributers to this thread!

Now that's what I call a great post. Good work DB.

@vappiano68

Yesterday, I toyed with the idea to reply to your 'proposal' but I hoped there would be some comments before I did. And now there have, and my name has been brought up in the conversation, I think this is now the time.

I do not expect you to agree with what I write. You are entitled to your opinion which you could modify before you finally submit but I would echo the thoughts of previous posters in that you will waste your time to send it as it will not be read. I am sure that any mail originating from this site goes straight to the trash can. They do filter mail. I have written from various accounts but only one is replied to. And if they see a strange account then they might out of curiousity take a quick look but as soon as they see it from a viewer it will be binned. You have more chance, and that is small, of your ideas being read directly from here.

I will be frank. If the 'proposal' was read then I am certain that the room was filled with laughter. Not because it was funny but because it is un-workable.

I do not know nor do I really care where you got the notion that 95% of the viewers, and potential callers, can watch during what you call 'normal hours' but I will illustrate why your timing plan will not work and that is one of the keys to your plan.

Barely a stone-throws distance from the studio, there is a pizza restaurant. They actually serve much more than pizzas but this is a good guide - please do not even think I can reveal the name of this restaurant. Now in your plan of things that restaurant would be open from approx 8 am to 3 am. But it is actually open a full 24 hours a day. And the simple reason for this is because there is a local demand for the pizzas. And this is clear business practice. They do not expect to serve pizzas constantly out of these un-sociable hours but they do expect to serve enough to make it worth their while in staying open. And ETV work to the same. I am sure that they originally broadcast through the night as an experiment to see if there was a demand. Not a constant demand because even during the day, and probably even during the best of times, there is not a constant demand but enough demand to warrant the broadcast. So if you plan not to broadcast during these hours you do deny the channel some income. Income that they consider worthwhile.

Your next proposal is to cut the hours for a show (except for the 4th one) down to three and a half. Now if you want to see if this idea will work then I suggest that you ask a model. Any model will do.

You are right that the average 'normal' working day is 8 hours. For ETV the 'normal' working day is 5 or 6 hours. If the girl does more then it is her choice and you will note that while some do this it is usually no more than once a week.

If my understanding is correct, the model is only paid for the time they are 'on-air'. If the idea is to have an entirely new cast for every show then you drastically cut the model's income and less will consider it worth their while to be there. And probably not the ones that you would wish to leave.

But the model's income is reducing not for your percieved idea of an hourly rate because ETV do not pay in that way. They pay more on a 'commission basis' - the more we earn the more we pay you. So cut the hours cuts the total income for both the channel and the models. Everyone loses.

Your plan is that with shorter broadcast hours then there is less of a requirement for 44 models. In fact I believe that the opposite is true. And you will note that even now they engage more models as 44 is not enough to cover the current rota. There was a time in 2006 that they had over 70 models. Maybe that was too much as girls complained that they were losing work. You cannot apply simple maths to the number of required models as circumstances change on a daily basis. And you also cannot cut the number down to the level of calls as you simply do not know from day to day the level of calls. A missing model means a lost call.

You have created an 'A list' of models that you do not wish to appear on the screen. You are entitled to your opinion there but then so are the callers who choose to speak to them. Remove those models from the equation and you also lose those callers and ferther reduce the income of the channel.

I do not comment on content. The caller should determine that. If it is not possible for whatever reason then that should be explained.

And by all means offer your plans for themed shows. I've been there and worn the t-shirt. I will not comment ferther. You may well dispute the above information but I do probably know much more of the way the tv works than you ever will.

But basically your master plan will not renew the channel. It would place it in a more earlier grave than is planned.

@vappiano68

outside is right. ETV manager doesn't take care about the notices written in this forum...and I don't remember to have read an answer from them (contrary of Point X managers).

Play Euromillion, win, and create an another ETV seems to be more efficient ...

If you lost, create a company with the winner.

Have a good day !

PS : When you see an ugly model in the morning show, it's a good news for the next shows ... she will not be there anymore for the rest of the day !

You could send whatever you want, some months ago our good old DB sent even a script proposal for a show, quite good in my opinion, and of course his proposal was ignored.

You joined this site before me, but it seems you were on another planet last two years.

So, my advice is take it easy, continue watching the shows and take whatever good you would find in. Otherwise, you have the most powerful tools as your remote control, your mouse and your keyboard.

Have a good weekend.

:)

@ fman1 :
@ outside :

Good morning my friends.
First of all : Thank you for your comments.

I would clarify my point of view:

< Decrease the costs is a piece of nonsense when the revenues also decrease >

< My old business studies remind me that it's impossible to have cost reduction and quality improvement at the same time. So you have to choose: reduce costs or improve quality? >

If you read with attention my point 1 , you see:

Not to increase the costs.

I don't mean to reduce the costs, I mean a better use of
money and time of the liveshows.

How many callers between 02:00 a.m. and 08:00 a.m. ?

I think not so much to justify 24 hours of liveshow a day.
I've seen models literally sleeping during that period
( also models with many fans : Viviana, Johanna, Maraya,....).

< Finally, they have no reason to fire Lilian, sorry >

I think with the reduction of 8 models they can
engage some hot but beautiful models.
At that point I don't see the reason not to fire
models of " my first group " !

If you have, for example, Safo and Lilian
doing the same things for the callers,
how many calls Lilian will receive ?

@ outside : However " Andrò piano " .

But don't you think some ideas can be useful
to make ETV change its way ?
My intention is to elaborate with you, my friends,
a list of requests.
After that I'll send this list to ETV.
At that point, if ETV will continue to ignore us,
I'll stop and declare ETV R.I.P.
( for me )

Bye

One could make that list even shorter!

1) Shoot all at ETV including most of the models

2) Call in the guys that did the angel show on turkish live24

Actually the problem with ETV is they have too many models. Every show has at least one girl that is so ugly I can't stand watching it any longer. Camera time is split over all models, however to make things worse they tend to give the ugly ones more air play than the pretty ones...

I don't care if they get naked, but when they do, please make it be worth while. The girls that never show any skin but otherwise have all the right moves are far more interesting than the ones that dont know how to keep up their dress.

How to renew ETV:

1) Shoot everyone at etv except the models

2) Shoot everyone who requests a footshow

3) fire models nobody wants to see and boring ones

4) Have some smart people from this forum run etv

5) never again mess with the viewers! (otherwise: see 1)

6) ;)

My old business studies remind me that it's impossible to have cost reduction and quality improvement at the same time. So you have to choose: reduce costs or improve quality?

I have joined this site since two years and I've read everything but some business plan. :)))))

Vappiano, it seems you are italian as me, sure you know that old italian proverb that is referred to your nick.

Finally, they have no reason to fire Lilian, sorry. :))))))

<<<An another is to decrease the salaries of the models but (if they accept it) the models will be less motivated. <<<

is what is happening right now on ETV
Example: Malena

But this is only my opinion

Hi Vappiano68

Hour calculation is correct if the models earn fixed amount. Perhaps, they earn money correspondently of the duration of presence in the shows. In this case, the calculation is a little different: now we have approximatively 118 hours-model a day and you are proposing 96 hours-model a day (16*6), that is to say 20% of decrease. It 's not far of 18% but the result is independent of the number of models. The problem only arise from the number of hours to diffuse shows and in return the number of calls/sms decreases ...

Decrease the costs is a piece of nonsense when the revenues also decrease.

An answer could be to decrease the number of camera-men but the quality will decrease.

An another is to decrease the salaries of the models but (if they accept it) the models will be less motivated.

An another one is to better adapt the number of models with the number of calls. Often more than half of models are not talking and are needless...

I think we should find ideas to increase ETV revenues without decrease quality. (Advertising on the screen are to skip)

ETV seems to work in this way with the "handy" models calls...

Continue to think !